The greenosphere is all abuzz about a new video from Annie Leonard, creator of semi-famous anti-consumerism video/book The Story of Stuff. It's being billed as a definitive debunking of cap-and-trade, but it's more like a perfect representation of all the confusion and misplaced focus that plagues the green left right now. Here it is:
Now, I suppose I'm generally viewed among greens as a defender of cap-and-trade -- or, in the less charitable version, a defender of the "party line," a shill for the administration, a sell-out "insider," whatever. A "pro" in the "pro vs. anti cap-and-trade" argument. But that's not how I see it. It's more that I think it's the wrong argument. Activists like Leonard are just mis-identifying the barriers to effective climate action. I'll have lots more to say on that subject soon, but for now, let's focus on the video.
The video contains four basic arguments against cap-and-trade:
1. Allowance giveaways are bad. This is true. It would be better to auction 100% of the pollution allowances and use the revenue to invest in clean energy and protect consumers. The bill in Congress gives away too many allowances (Leonard elides the fact that the bulk of them are devoted to consumer protection, though it's open to debate whether they'll be used that way, and some Senators are pushing for more giveaways).
The most obvious solution to this is to give away fewer allowances. Yet Leonard and crew imply that allowance giveaways are inherent to cap-and-trade and the only solution is to ditch it. They imply that other "real" solutions would somehow be immune to polluters seeking loopholes and special favors, but never explain why.
The allowance giveaways in the climate bill reflect the power of the fossil fuel lobby. Switching policies would not diminish that power. Reduce that power and any climate policy gets better. The policy isn't the problem; the power of the fossil fuel lobby is.
2. Offsets are bad. Leonard's "argument" against offsets, if it can be called that, is fairly typical for this genre. She highlights a few ridiculous-sounding projects from the Clean Development Mechanism (CDM), implicitly conflates those projects and the CDM with offsets generally, and then concludes, based on the anecdotes, that offsets are bad and they make cap-and-trade toothless.
The reality is far more complex. The quality of offset projects varies widely, as do enforcement mechanisms. The bill in Congress actually contains some fairly stringent measures for policing offsets. Many people close to international policy negotiations believe that high-quality offsets are a vital measure enabling a stronger international treaty. (See Glenn Hurowitz.) Many think that emissions reductions will prove cheap enough that offsets won't be extensively utilized in early years. Others think that moving emission reductions overseas short-sells the clean energy revolution needed here in the U.S.
These are complex topics, and they're not well-served by the simplistic, hand-waving dismissal of offsets in Leonard's video. Regardless, if you think offsets are a problem, the obvious solution is to reduce the number of offsets. But again, Leonard and crew pretend that offsets are inherent to cap-and-trade and the only solution is to ditch it. Again, they pretend that "real" solutions would be immune to similar loopholes and giveaways.
One more time, from the top: The number of offsets in the climate bill reflects the power of the fossil fuel lobby (and the common impression that reducing emissions will be costly). Switching policies would not diminish that power (or that impression). The policy isn't the problem; the power of the fossil fuel lobby is.
3. Carbon markets are bad. I hesitate to call this an "argument" in the video, since it mainly consists of using the words "Enron," "bubble,""Wall Street," and "scam" suggestively, without saying anything at all specific about why this commodity market -- which would be one of any number of commodity markets, most of which work perfectly well, including the carbon market in Europe -- would be uniquely evil. I'm with Kevin Drum: there's no meat here. I've never seen anything to this argument but the kind of suggestive handwaving that's in the video. I don't know why the green left has decided that markets are bad, in and of themselves, but it seems both politically unwise and substantively thin.
It's certainly true that certain financial instruments should be eliminated or regulated more heavily; this is true for financial markets in general. There's some fairly strong language in the bill about regulating carbon markets; that language will likely be folded into the larger financial market reforms that the Senate will address soon. But no one, outside this narrow topic, is suggesting that markets should be abolished!
Remember, trading of allowances is the feature of cap-and-trade that makes it more flexible than a flat tax that applies to all entities equally. This was always the argument for C&T over a tax. Instead of rebutting that argument, Leonard et al. seem instead to have decided that "market Goldman Sachs derivatives bugga bugga!" suffices.
4. Cap-and-trade is a "distraction" from "real solutions." Of all the arguments, this is, forgive my bluntness, the silliest. The idea is that cap-and-trade has (for reasons never explained) magically come to dominate the policy conversation and made people forget about other options. "Cap-and-trade makes citizens think everything will be OK if we just drive a little less, change our light bulbs, and let These Guys do the rest." Whaaat? It does? Any empirical evidence for this? Polls? Surveys? Anything? Honestly, it's a depressing hallmark of liberalism to view progress -- or the impression of progress -- as a deflating force. Over on the other side of the aisle, they're constantly declaring victory. Why do we think they do that? Does it seem to be de-motivating the conservative base?
First of all, there are reasons cap-and-trade has garnered the most support, but C&T bashers are so busy attacking a caricature they can't see them. Second of all, what is the sociopsychological theory here supposed to be? If we just stopped talking about cap-and-trade, everyone would wake, as though from mysterious trance, and start talking about "real" solutions? The only reason the world hasn't come together around tough measures that would financially damage fossil fuel companies is that the world's citizens are, like kittens, distracted by the shiny cap-and-trade bauble?
This is the worst feature of the C&T bashers (and carbon tax advocates): their utter political naivete and Romanticism. There's no plausible story about power here, and no real effort to tell one. It's just: "Once everyone hears our clever arguments, the world will unite around Real Solutions!" It's irresponsible.
The video concludes by saying, "the next time somebody tells you cap-and-trade is the best we're going to get, don't believe them." But why not? Literally nothing in the video even addresses that point! It's a fundamentally political point that the video just wishes away. At this point the green left desperately needs less Mead and more Machiavelli. Unless greens get serious about identifying the loci of political and financial power, identifying ways to block or leverage that power, and building power of their own, they're going to lose. Policy arguments are more-or-less orthogonal to that important undertaking, not a substitute for it.
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There are also some straight-up errors in the video. Europe's trading system is working, despite relentless hype to the contrary. Any program that caps and reduces CO2 would help those hurt by climate change, even if the money was distributed inequitably. The Clean Air Act does not enable EPA to "cap" carbon the same way cap-and-trade does, and would not serve as an equally effective substitute for a cap. Etc etc.
But my larger critique is that the video, and the bashing of cap-and-trade generally, just misses the point. I've got longer posts on this coming up, but here's a capsule summary: it's clear that politics as currently constituted, particularly in the U.S., will not tolerate a high price on carbon. So we're going to end up with a fairly low price, hopefully with mechanisms to automatically raise it over time. A different carbon pricing mechanism won't solve that problem.
The smart response would be to secure the low-and-rising carbon price and then start pushing other emission reduction policies, namely sector-specific regulations, industrial policies focused on capacity building, and large-scale investments in RD&D. If all the C&T bashers would turn their energy in that direction, we'd be having a much more productive conversation. Instead they're echoing arguments from Exxon and Don Blankenship, vaguely hoping that if cap-and-trade is politically destroyed, a herd of ponies will thunder in to replace it. Once and for all: there are no ponies.
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so, given the finance-heavy focus of the federal response to the crash and the influence of big bankers over how they're audited, you're absolutely convinced that this president, this congress, and these revolving regulators will prevent wall street from robbing us in the middle of the transition.
"1. Allowance giveaways are bad. ... The most obvious solution to this is to give away fewer allowances. ... The allowance giveaways in the climate bill reflect the power of the fossil fuel lobby. Switching policies would not diminish that power."
There's an element of truth in this: the power of the lobby is a huge problem. But the policy escalates this problem. First, the free allowances are a subsidy for dirty industry. In the EU this happens in two ways (i) because companies bank the free permits as assets, and pass on the “opportunity cost†to consumers – in the case of the EU power sector, estimated to be between 23 and 71 billion euros between 2008 and 2012; (ii) because a number of companies have a surplus of permits which they sell – in the case of ArcelorMittal (the largest steel maker in EU scheme) this has netted an estimated 2 billion euros since start of the scheme for making no reductions (they've used the competitiveness argument to secure an overallocation of around 25 per cent). These kinds of subsidies are not awarded by other climate measures such as subsidy shifts from fossil fuels or taxes.
Second, carbon markets are far more complex and interlinked than regulations based on emissions limits. This means there are more loopholes for the lobbyists to exploit. The “trade†part of cap and trade encourages capital to go after the cheapeast abatements, and the cheapest tend to be those that have ...read more
I think the video does a great job in laying out serious critiques of cap-and-trade. You can't get too deep in the weeds in a short video, but Leonard's concerns about carbon markets aren't just handwaving.
Carbon markets will indeed be subject to broader derivatives reforms, so I can only conclude that Roberts isn't following the debate over derivatives regulations very closely -- because we are losing the battle there. The financial industry has convinced policymakers to open up one loophole after another. For example, leading proposals on mandatory exchange clearing of derivatives have been continuously weakened as the months have passed. Progressive reformers like Prof Michael Greenberger (former head of markets and trading under CFTC Chair Brooksley Born) are not confident that we will emerge from this financial regulatory process having put in place the rules needed to avert the next crisis.
And Leonard's skepticism about Wall Street is not misplaced; financial policymakers such as the Congressional Oversight Panel on the TARP are trying to be better prepared for the inevitable next crisis. So as we contemplate creating carbon markets from scratch, we can't ignore the serious lessons from this financial crisis. Such as how sophisticated our modern financial markets are, how regulators will be unable to stay ahead of "financial innovation," and (sadly) how even the best-written regs erode in effectiveness over time.
Indeed, carbon markets ...read more
Sheesh, what is Grist up to these days?
I used to come here to read substantive articles, now I tend to find more energy towards antagonizing cartoons that strive to summarize a complicated issue than is put into daring to advocate for more than incremental gambles of change. It's almost a cartoon itself, some of these posits sitting next to a backdrop of "green living hints".
Rather than delving into what makes the issue opaque, or why it's become a point of contention (in fact, even ignoring to large extent the contention over carbon trading in the past months)-- now I'm finding an embarrassing arc that's in most ways complete against the aims of the largest grassroots, climate justice movements in the country (and internationally, right now).
And since it's Dec. 1st, can I just say how absurd and appalling it is not to see any coverage of N30- the International Day of Climate Justice, where cap-and-trade is a major issue? Well, for those reading who would like to check it out, please Google the 'Mobilization for Climate Justice'
It's sad, David, to see someone as smart and passionate as you still riding cap-and-trade down to its almost certain demise, unable to muster much more than the defeatist "The policy isn't the problem; the power of the fossil fuel lobby is."
Wrong. The policy is the problem. The policy — a complex, easily corruptible, hard to grasp ("Most of the country doesn't know what cap-and-trade is. They have no idea. I would say half the Senate have no idea what cap-and-trade is and could not explain it." — Sen. Jay Rockefeller, in Chairmen Split Over Climate Bill, The Hill, Nov. 17), and ill-suited system — is a huge part of the reason that the fossil fuel lobby has been able to rout the pro-climate forces and run the table.
How can you build and sustain the kind of popular movement you need to beat the fossil fuel lobby around something as ungainly as cap-and-trade? And of course the more the FF lobby carves out huge new subsidies and giveaways, the more complex and corrupt the cap-and-trade bills become, further weakening the pro-climate forces and running the table again, and again.
More defeatism: "[I]t's clear that politics as currently constituted, particularly in the U.S., will not tolerate a high price on carbon. So we're going to end up with a fairly low price, hopefully with mechanisms to automatically raise it over time. A different carbon pricing mechanism won't solve that problem." Wrong again. A transparent carbon tax would ...read more
It would be good if the author - rather than slamming an excellent intro film which has to simplify things to get its message across - looks more closely at the evidence of Cap and Trade and the considerable research critiquing carbon trading from growing numbers of people. I think the booklet - "Carbon Trading: How it works and why if fails" by Transnational Institute's Carbon Trade Watch programme http://www.tni.org/carbon-trade-fails does this excellently
Not only does it show that Cap and Trade hasn't worked in the EU and still isn't reducing emissions (when the EU gets it wrong three times in a row, isn't it time for David to question the system rather than just say it can be improved), it also shows that there are serious issues about social justice and equity that have to be addressed:
- Social Justice: Is it right for Northern Industrialised nations to continue emphasis on offsetting in the countries least responsible for the crisis, rather than dealing with reducing emissions in our own countries?
- Dispossession and human rights. Evidence in TNI's booklet shows that even supposedly good offset projects under CDM are when examined based on dispossessing indigenous and campesino communities and rewarding companies known for exploitation and environmental degradation. If the US, Australia others join CDM you can be sure that this will only get worse as standards drop even further with all countries trying desperately to offset rather than reduce ...read more
View a page which contains links to summaries of issues concerning Cap and Trade legislation, the Koyoto Protocol, and the Framework Convention on Climate Change... These articles specifically shown how such legislation and treaties will mainly empower agendas of corrupt elites and would not be effective for helping the environment anyway.
http://newsofinterest.tv/global_warming/politics/index.php
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For a ten minute video about concerns regarding cap and trade, I think it well serves its purpose. Regarding whether it's right or wrong, well that's a difficult question which I'll leave to others who've given the matter great thought than I, though it does reflect my own perspective.
However, I comfortably put forth that the prevailing paradigm amongst the mainstream NGOs and their funders is to go along with the cap and trade agenda, while impugning the critics as doing the service of Exxon, all while accepting the agenda favored by Exxon's corporate lawyers (Environmental Defense Fund in past and probably still deeply intertwined with Davis Polk Wardwell, a firm which defended Exxon in matters related to Valdez oil spill as well as other dastardly affairs such as the interests of tobacco companies).
I'm cynical enough that I'd almost contemplate that Exxon was advised to support a carbon tax. Regardless, considering that all these companies -- Exxon, Shell, Chevron, etc. -- for long denied global warming and pressed that view, I don't see why we should give much trust to whatever agenda these companies advocate as their fallback from denying, except for pondering how they corrupt the body politic and civil society.
It would be interesting to get a figure of just how many corporatist enviro conferences with the majority of participants supporting the cap and trade agenda have been heavily liveblogged by Grist versus grassroots ones with a ...read more
To the bill haters:
The late-late launch of this effort to kill the current climate legislation by the far Left is disturbing. How naive and irresponsible to launch this campaign, at this time, instead of a year or two ago when the merits of different approaches were being discussed. Now, in the past 24 hours, the NRDC NY office has been mobbed, this out of nowhere 'Story of Cap & Trade' video arrives, and a position piece at Huffington Post gets the top spot on the Green page -- all synchronized to be released at once, and geared to destroy not only the first real chance to regulate greenhouse gasses in our history, but to also forestall the global agreement, which awaits our action.
Look, we all know this legislation is imperfect, and we all have the same ultimate goal of zero human carbon emissions. But please, for the love of God, tell me where you keep your magic wand and the extra Senate votes? Please, tell me what will happen later this summer when everything will be about the 2010 election and then who knows what kind of tea-baggers are elected into the Congressional body? What will pass then? Something named a tax? You're kidding, right?
We have a foot in the door -- right now. This is fucking real. What movement HASN'T needed additional strengthening with stronger legislation AFTER the original weaker position passes?! Think of all of the additional legislation and Supreme Court cases needed for African American civil rights, even ...read more
Late launch?
Methinks you're just now tuning in to the resistance. That the biggies in DC haven't been in-line doesn't mean they rightfully defer to the mass movements (or to those with their heads under the guillotine of the first world's policy choices) This is not some "out-of-nowhere" blitz, this is a momentum that's starting to rumble in more places than I'd wager you're paying attention to. When you feel betrayed by the Far Left, you might do better to just shift your alignment towards the center :)
Articles questioning Crap & Trade were posted on Climate Indymedia well over two years ago (Apr 2007). The writer is asleep at the switch.
Where is your plan for a law passing within a year? Ill sign up for it immediately.
This post has so far been criticized by Hapa, Charles Komanoff, and Michelle Chan, representative of Friends of the Earth, peddlers of the most vapid and consfused climate commentary available in pdf form. It's kind of like the zombie environmental lobby has assembled to groan for a carbon tax.
Charles says: "Cap-and-trade is dead, David. Brains! Braaaaaaaains!"
It takes some gall to cast these critics as a "zomby environmental lobby" while endorsing the Wall Street agenda favored by the zombie banksters who drove the economy into a ditch*, corrupted the political system, and both deflated Obama's goodwill amongst the populace and undermined his capacity to pursue a strong climate agenda.
*also while supporting the pro-growth, pro-war, hyper-consumerist corporate capitalism that in vast ways has shown itself to be anti-thetical to the interests of humans and environment.
lady-freakonomics-bug, i didn't criticize, i asked a hard-as-nails question. also, rejoice! i'd never eat a malnourished brain such as yours.
Hard as nails! What a hoot!
"Ahem, David, if I may: Do you really think, given that bankers are evil, something something cap-and-trade?"
Pity the planet. Culture warriors from the right and left are determined to screw it over.
hmm.
original:
"Ahem, David, if I may: Do you really think, given that bankers are evil, something something cap-and-trade?"
parody:
"so, given the finance-heavy focus of the federal response to the crash and the influence of big bankers over how they're audited, you're absolutely convinced that this president, this congress, and these revolving regulators will prevent wall street from robbing us in the middle of the transition."
yes... i see what you mean... very confusing. i'm glad we had this talk; it's a relief to know that bankers are neither greedy nor dominant in DC, writing their own rules, overseen by their own employees, making/breaking senate and presidential campaigns.
people should care more how the money will work. the outlay will be big. shriking the finance sector is pretty important. they think they ARE the economy -- beltway 'centrists' agree -- watch them 'efficiently allocate the resources' for the switch into nowhere. it's what they do.
Oh, whoops, you forgot your follow-up comment: "and phil jones's semen was found on michael mann's dress." Hard. As. Nails.
You seem to believe that these little incoherent non sequiturs actually add up to a policy critique. My "parody" isn't a parody, it's a simple restatement of your rant:
1. Bankers are greedy
2. Something something
3. Cap and trade won't work
It takes more than your righteous anger to get from step 1 to step 3. Please, try to fill in step 2. And you're not allowed to refer to hedge funds; Dr. X already has exclusive rights to that corner of crazytown.
the 'semen' comment was in response to some trollery that then got deleted. don't know why mine stuck around, ask grist. i left it unexplained because it's sorta left-field funny.
i've never said i thought cap-and-trade was bad. that's why you're having trouble finding B: you made up C. my entire argument is that greens can't let weak-kneed pragmatism turn them blind to the holes that will appear in these newly-minted markets when they hit prime time, and later. the finance lobby redefines power in US politics; it is anathema to democratic government.
so... it's fun to talk about this. i like debating people who do the straw man dance, helps build stamina. plus i get to find out what i didn't say next! did i just call them greedy again? because i remember warning against greens implicitly endorsing oligarchy in america. let's find out.