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            <title>Comment #1 by Sean Casten</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/yahoo-goes-carbon-neutral/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:21:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>There is a tension here</strong></p><p>It strikes me that the companies that gain marketing value from going carbon neutral, buying RECs, etc. are inversely correlated to the companies that actually contribute to carbon emissions in a meaningful way - as your observation makes clear. &nbsp;Whole Foods, Yahoo, etc. all get good PR from doing the right thing... but when all is said and done, their carbon impact is trivial. &nbsp;By contrast, the really big emitters (power plants, steel mills, etc.) sell commodities that live or die by tiny price differentials and can't afford to invest in green PR. &nbsp;Or, put another way, no one picks their rebar supplier based on their social responsibility.</p><p>
I don't know how one breaks this, or even if one needs to - but it does call to question how much one ought to make of announcements like Yahoo's. &nbsp;(Which isn't meant to knock Yahoo - just the reality of the situation.) &nbsp;By contrast, we probably ought to give a lot more praise to the Dows and BPs of the world who have made significant efforts to cut their CO2, and while they started from a much higher number, I am willing to bet that the aggregate impact is much larger.</p><p>
Food for thought, anyway.</p>
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				<p><strong>There is a tension here</strong></p><p>It strikes me that the companies that gain marketing value from going carbon neutral, buying RECs, etc. are inversely correlated to the companies that actually contribute to carbon emissions in a meaningful way - as your observation makes clear. &nbsp;Whole Foods, Yahoo, etc. all get good PR from doing the right thing... but when all is said and done, their carbon impact is trivial. &nbsp;By contrast, the really big emitters (power plants, steel mills, etc.) sell commodities that live or die by tiny price differentials and can't afford to invest in green PR. &nbsp;Or, put another way, no one picks their rebar supplier based on their social responsibility.</p><p>
I don't know how one breaks this, or even if one needs to - but it does call to question how much one ought to make of announcements like Yahoo's. &nbsp;(Which isn't meant to knock Yahoo - just the reality of the situation.) &nbsp;By contrast, we probably ought to give a lot more praise to the Dows and BPs of the world who have made significant efforts to cut their CO2, and while they started from a much higher number, I am willing to bet that the aggregate impact is much larger.</p><p>
Food for thought, anyway.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Glenn Hurowitz</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/yahoo-goes-carbon-neutral/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:17:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Why not forests?</strong></p><p>Big kudos to Yahoo for going carbon neutral, but I must say I don't understand why they didn't do it by protecting tropical forests - they'd get a lot more bang for the buck in terms of both carbon saved, biodiversity protected, and social benefits than working with huge financial interests to install hydropower and wind turbines. And people would understand it more easily. Hopefully, they'll choose that option in the future. </p>
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				<p><strong>Why not forests?</strong></p><p>Big kudos to Yahoo for going carbon neutral, but I must say I don't understand why they didn't do it by protecting tropical forests - they'd get a lot more bang for the buck in terms of both carbon saved, biodiversity protected, and social benefits than working with huge financial interests to install hydropower and wind turbines. And people would understand it more easily. Hopefully, they'll choose that option in the future. </p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Delay And Deny</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/yahoo-goes-carbon-neutral/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:28:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I Offset Someone Today<p><br>
Hey, I rode my bike to work today.<p>
Shouldn't a motorist buy a "carbon offset" from me?<p>
Do you think I should wait at the street light and go up to them and demand they give me five bucks because I'm offsetting them?

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I Offset Someone Today<p><br>
Hey, I rode my bike to work today.<p>
Shouldn't a motorist buy a "carbon offset" from me?<p>
Do you think I should wait at the street light and go up to them and demand they give me five bucks because I'm offsetting them?

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by trock</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/yahoo-goes-carbon-neutral/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:05:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>maybe you deserve an offset</strong></p><p>Maybe you should get a 'carbon offset,' but you are way, way behind on 'posting offsets.' &nbsp; You owe big time here on that.</p>
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				<p><strong>maybe you deserve an offset</strong></p><p>Maybe you should get a 'carbon offset,' but you are way, way behind on 'posting offsets.' &nbsp; You owe big time here on that.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by BILL HANNAHAN</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/yahoo-goes-carbon-neutral/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:02:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Carbon Dilution</strong></p><p>The only way Yahoo can be carbon neutral is to remove 250,000 metric tons of carbon from the atmosphere each year and bury it in a way that will keep it SAFELY isolated for at least several hundred thousand years. They should also bury equivalent amounts of mercury, cadmium, arsenic, sulfur, uranium, NOx etc.</p><p>
At best this should be called carbon dilution.</p><p>
We should put a price on all emissions reflecting our best estimate of the cost of the damage they do, and let the market select winners and losers.<br>
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				<p><strong>Carbon Dilution</strong></p><p>The only way Yahoo can be carbon neutral is to remove 250,000 metric tons of carbon from the atmosphere each year and bury it in a way that will keep it SAFELY isolated for at least several hundred thousand years. They should also bury equivalent amounts of mercury, cadmium, arsenic, sulfur, uranium, NOx etc.</p><p>
At best this should be called carbon dilution.</p><p>
We should put a price on all emissions reflecting our best estimate of the cost of the damage they do, and let the market select winners and losers.<br>
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            <title>Comment #6 by mongabay</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/yahoo-goes-carbon-neutral/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:55:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Yahoo dropped the ball on this one</strong></p><p>Yahoo could have shown itself to be a leader by pushing forward on avoided deforestation in Indonesia. &nbsp;Instead it demonstrates yet again why it plays second fiddle.</p>
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				<p><strong>Yahoo dropped the ball on this one</strong></p><p>Yahoo could have shown itself to be a leader by pushing forward on avoided deforestation in Indonesia. &nbsp;Instead it demonstrates yet again why it plays second fiddle.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:15:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I'm with Glenn and Mongabay<p>These carbon sinks are will be gone in my kid's lifetime if we don't find a way to save them. Yahoo!

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I'm with Glenn and Mongabay<p>These carbon sinks are will be gone in my kid's lifetime if we don't find a way to save them. Yahoo!

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by mongabay</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:01:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Had Yahoo been a leader<p>Indonesia is one of the most populous countries on Earth. &nbsp;Its population is young and Internet use is growing. &nbsp;Censorship of media and the Internet is not a significant concern.<p>
Through successful pioneering of a carbon finance program (an initiative that could eventually bring billions of dollars a year to the country), Yahoo could be known as the mover who made the concept a reality, establishing a solid basis for its brand, possibly translating to increased recognition and usage of its Web properties. &nbsp;Importantly, with a relatively small commitment, financial or technical, Yahoo could trigger a movement that helps alleviate poverty, improve health, fight climate change, end "haze" pollution, and conserve resources and biological diversity. &nbsp;<p>
Other potential benefits to Yahoo<p>


 Yahoo establishes itself as a leader in carbon finance tied to poverty alleviation<br>
 Yahoo diversified its carbon offset portfolio at a relatively low cost (perhaps offset a small office or data center) <br>
 Tie-ins with rural health (malaria, dengue, dysentery all major problems in Borneo) and biodiversity conservation (orangutan, Sumatran rhino, proboscis monkey) <p>


More: <a href="http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0829-carbon.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0829-carbon.html</a></p></br></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Had Yahoo been a leader<p>Indonesia is one of the most populous countries on Earth. &nbsp;Its population is young and Internet use is growing. &nbsp;Censorship of media and the Internet is not a significant concern.<p>
Through successful pioneering of a carbon finance program (an initiative that could eventually bring billions of dollars a year to the country), Yahoo could be known as the mover who made the concept a reality, establishing a solid basis for its brand, possibly translating to increased recognition and usage of its Web properties. &nbsp;Importantly, with a relatively small commitment, financial or technical, Yahoo could trigger a movement that helps alleviate poverty, improve health, fight climate change, end "haze" pollution, and conserve resources and biological diversity. &nbsp;<p>
Other potential benefits to Yahoo<p>


 Yahoo establishes itself as a leader in carbon finance tied to poverty alleviation<br>
 Yahoo diversified its carbon offset portfolio at a relatively low cost (perhaps offset a small office or data center) <br>
 Tie-ins with rural health (malaria, dengue, dysentery all major problems in Borneo) and biodiversity conservation (orangutan, Sumatran rhino, proboscis monkey) <p>


More: <a href="http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0829-carbon.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0829-carbon.html</a></p></br></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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