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            <title>Comment #1 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 11:33:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Two money quotes<p>"Doctors say the drunk riders tend to run into poles." <p>
"Riding a bike for some has more cachet than driving a Porsche"<p>
I see that Seattle isn't on the list. I just came in off the bike trail. Traffic was very heavy. It won't take much to overload what little bike infrastructure we have.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Two money quotes<p>"Doctors say the drunk riders tend to run into poles." <p>
"Riding a bike for some has more cachet than driving a Porsche"<p>
I see that Seattle isn't on the list. I just came in off the bike trail. Traffic was very heavy. It won't take much to overload what little bike infrastructure we have.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 16:39:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The attitude over here IS different<p>In the on-going debate over whether it is policies or attitudes that have to change, the example of bicycles in The Netherlands is salient.<p>
The Dutch (my grandfather was one) are notoriously ... er, thrifty. It is considered a sin to waste money. (I was once scolded by a flatmate -- the son of a grocery-store owner -- for buying butter instead of margarine.) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorstein_Veblen" rel="nofollow">Thorsten Veblen would never have written about conspicuous consumption had he been living in the Netherlands at the time.<p>
The Dutch make a lot of jokes about Belgians, but the Belgians have one that strikes home.<p>
Q: Who invented copper wire?<br>
A: Two Dutchmen, fighting over a penny.<p>
All that to say that part of the attraction of bicycles for the Dutch has been their low cost of ownership and operation. Hence it was not difficult, when decisions over public spending were being made, to invest heavily in bike infrastructure. Since that infrastructure now covers the whole of the country, there is not much left for the Dutch to do than widen the lanes in some places, and cut down on bicycle theft.</p></br></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>The attitude over here IS different<p>In the on-going debate over whether it is policies or attitudes that have to change, the example of bicycles in The Netherlands is salient.<p>
The Dutch (my grandfather was one) are notoriously ... er, thrifty. It is considered a sin to waste money. (I was once scolded by a flatmate -- the son of a grocery-store owner -- for buying butter instead of margarine.) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorstein_Veblen" rel="nofollow">Thorsten Veblen would never have written about conspicuous consumption had he been living in the Netherlands at the time.<p>
The Dutch make a lot of jokes about Belgians, but the Belgians have one that strikes home.<p>
Q: Who invented copper wire?<br>
A: Two Dutchmen, fighting over a penny.<p>
All that to say that part of the attraction of bicycles for the Dutch has been their low cost of ownership and operation. Hence it was not difficult, when decisions over public spending were being made, to invest heavily in bike infrastructure. Since that infrastructure now covers the whole of the country, there is not much left for the Dutch to do than widen the lanes in some places, and cut down on bicycle theft.</p></br></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 01:41:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Good one, Ron<p>Here in the States, status rules. Make riding a bike cool and everyone will want one. Of course we also have road rage, handguns, and way too many cars. So be very careful out there everybody and treat every driver as a potential nutjob.

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				<p><strong>Good one, Ron<p>Here in the States, status rules. Make riding a bike cool and everyone will want one. Of course we also have road rage, handguns, and way too many cars. So be very careful out there everybody and treat every driver as a potential nutjob.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 02:46:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>carrying stuff</strong></p><p>When I ride, I absolutely must have both hands on the handlebars. &nbsp;How some clever people manage the "look Ma, no hands!" trick has always amazed me. &nbsp;Riding with even a single cup of coffee is impossible-sounding enough; riding with two cups of coffee is a circus stunt; riding with small children as passengers, questionably secured, should provoke a visit from the social worker.</p><p>
Presumably, there are different sorts of baskets and racks, so that one can transport purchases in relative comfort and security. &nbsp;In that case, it is very unlikely that one and the same bicycle can easily fulfill such different functions as commuting, shopping, conveying passengers, and recreation.</p><p>
And as for shopping, it is frustrating, but I guess to be expected, that the interests of small businesses have such a heavy hand in bicycle-friendly reform in US cities.</p><p>
I did not know that the Dutch had a name for extreme stinginess, as the French and the Scots do. &nbsp;Actually, in most European societies, it is likely that economizing is fairly well ingrained.</p><p>
In Italy, terrain seems to be an important factor in whether a city has a strong biking culture. &nbsp;In Ravenna, near the mouth of the Po, bicyclists are everywhere; and that is probably the case in most cities in the Po Valley. &nbsp;On the other hand, there are many towns built on hills, where biking is more of a challenge. &nbsp;E.g., Cortona is a Tuscan hill-top town overlooking the Val di Chiana from far above, in which almost all the streets are up-and-down; I have a souvenir T-shirt from there, which must have been made as a joke, with the name "Cortona" printed under a picture of a bicycle.</p><p>
In another recent bicycle-related thread, a commenter writing from Rome observed that that city is not bike-friendly. &nbsp;I have no doubt he is right. &nbsp;It is noteworthy that the vehicles in Italian cities are much smaller than the ones in the US; but driving practices are aggressive, and streets tend to be narrow. &nbsp;I would doubt conditions are very different in London.</p><p>
Bicycling ought to be as workable in Barcelona as in Paris, but I do not remember seeing many bicyclists there. &nbsp;In general, Paris might provide a better model for some older American cities than either Amsterdam or Copenhagen. &nbsp;A proliferation of bike rentals is in fact part of my own scheme/dream for relieving lower Manhattan of car traffic.</p><p>
It may be no more than a curious anomaly, but the smaller Catalan city of Girona, a bit north of Barcelona -- a medieval town with a river and bridges -- , was chosen by Lance Armstrong and the US bicycling team as their European headquarters.

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				<p><strong>carrying stuff</strong></p><p>When I ride, I absolutely must have both hands on the handlebars. &nbsp;How some clever people manage the "look Ma, no hands!" trick has always amazed me. &nbsp;Riding with even a single cup of coffee is impossible-sounding enough; riding with two cups of coffee is a circus stunt; riding with small children as passengers, questionably secured, should provoke a visit from the social worker.</p><p>
Presumably, there are different sorts of baskets and racks, so that one can transport purchases in relative comfort and security. &nbsp;In that case, it is very unlikely that one and the same bicycle can easily fulfill such different functions as commuting, shopping, conveying passengers, and recreation.</p><p>
And as for shopping, it is frustrating, but I guess to be expected, that the interests of small businesses have such a heavy hand in bicycle-friendly reform in US cities.</p><p>
I did not know that the Dutch had a name for extreme stinginess, as the French and the Scots do. &nbsp;Actually, in most European societies, it is likely that economizing is fairly well ingrained.</p><p>
In Italy, terrain seems to be an important factor in whether a city has a strong biking culture. &nbsp;In Ravenna, near the mouth of the Po, bicyclists are everywhere; and that is probably the case in most cities in the Po Valley. &nbsp;On the other hand, there are many towns built on hills, where biking is more of a challenge. &nbsp;E.g., Cortona is a Tuscan hill-top town overlooking the Val di Chiana from far above, in which almost all the streets are up-and-down; I have a souvenir T-shirt from there, which must have been made as a joke, with the name "Cortona" printed under a picture of a bicycle.</p><p>
In another recent bicycle-related thread, a commenter writing from Rome observed that that city is not bike-friendly. &nbsp;I have no doubt he is right. &nbsp;It is noteworthy that the vehicles in Italian cities are much smaller than the ones in the US; but driving practices are aggressive, and streets tend to be narrow. &nbsp;I would doubt conditions are very different in London.</p><p>
Bicycling ought to be as workable in Barcelona as in Paris, but I do not remember seeing many bicyclists there. &nbsp;In general, Paris might provide a better model for some older American cities than either Amsterdam or Copenhagen. &nbsp;A proliferation of bike rentals is in fact part of my own scheme/dream for relieving lower Manhattan of car traffic.</p><p>
It may be no more than a curious anomaly, but the smaller Catalan city of Girona, a bit north of Barcelona -- a medieval town with a river and bridges -- , was chosen by Lance Armstrong and the US bicycling team as their European headquarters.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Jones</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 03:46:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>We should be so lucky</strong></p><p>Not so long ago, as I was beginning my big European adventure, I found myself in Amsterdam contemplating where I'd like to rest my boots for a while. It was 5pm and my girlfriend and I had just emerged from a few afternoon drinks at the cafe...being late november, the sun was setting and we paused on a bridge to catch the view of it along the canal. While we watched, a commuter--fortysomething lawyer-type in business clothes--biked past, noticed the sunset, and coming to the top of the bridge, grabbed the handrail and sat admiring the view for about thirty seconds before setting off again. This is rush hour in Amsterdam.</p><p>
What's best about the dutch cycling culture is how unself-conscious it is. No ridiculous racing gear for a simple commute--they wear their normal clothes and strap plastic bags on their feet when it's raining. </p>
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				<p><strong>We should be so lucky</strong></p><p>Not so long ago, as I was beginning my big European adventure, I found myself in Amsterdam contemplating where I'd like to rest my boots for a while. It was 5pm and my girlfriend and I had just emerged from a few afternoon drinks at the cafe...being late november, the sun was setting and we paused on a bridge to catch the view of it along the canal. While we watched, a commuter--fortysomething lawyer-type in business clothes--biked past, noticed the sunset, and coming to the top of the bridge, grabbed the handrail and sat admiring the view for about thirty seconds before setting off again. This is rush hour in Amsterdam.</p><p>
What's best about the dutch cycling culture is how unself-conscious it is. No ridiculous racing gear for a simple commute--they wear their normal clothes and strap plastic bags on their feet when it's raining. </p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by astetica</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 05:30:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>ah...</strong></p><p>Hey, I'm Dutch. Lived there for the first 26 years of my life. I sooo much miss the biking. The US is not a good place for this. I suppose living in Houston does not help.</p><p>
It is true though that bikes are just part of every day life. It is so much nicer on a warm day to cycle to work rather than sit stuck in a metal container. </p><p>
I miss it more than anything else from my old place. Dutch food is not to write home about. Except the kroketten of course...</p>
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				<p><strong>ah...</strong></p><p>Hey, I'm Dutch. Lived there for the first 26 years of my life. I sooo much miss the biking. The US is not a good place for this. I suppose living in Houston does not help.</p><p>
It is true though that bikes are just part of every day life. It is so much nicer on a warm day to cycle to work rather than sit stuck in a metal container. </p><p>
I miss it more than anything else from my old place. Dutch food is not to write home about. Except the kroketten of course...</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 07:29:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>There was a pancake house in Amsterdam ...</strong></p><p>... that I still dream about.</p><p>
And yes, I biked there. Unfortunately, I rented one of the red bikes, which marked me as a dork tourist. Here's a tip for you Amsterdam travelers: rent a black bike. You'll blend in better.

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				<p><strong>There was a pancake house in Amsterdam ...</strong></p><p>... that I still dream about.</p><p>
And yes, I biked there. Unfortunately, I rented one of the red bikes, which marked me as a dork tourist. Here's a tip for you Amsterdam travelers: rent a black bike. You'll blend in better.

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            <title>Comment #8 by Corey McKrill</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 08:11:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The gear factor<p>What's best about the dutch cycling culture is how unself-conscious it is. No ridiculous racing gear for a simple commute--they wear their normal clothes and strap plastic bags on their feet when it's raining.<p>
Yes! &nbsp;I think that the "gear factor," prominent in so many American pastimes, is really a detriment to the popularity of cycling. &nbsp;If you notice how bike commuters are dressed (here in Seattle anyway), it's easy to get the impression that you have to buy all sorts of expensive spandex superhero clothes and little biking doo-dahs in order to do it the "right way" and be safe. I bike to work some days (in my street clothes) and at least half the other cyclists I see look like they're either on the USPS team hell-bent for France, or loaded down to ride all the way to Tierra del Fuego.<p>
Probably the worst part of all this is that having the right gear is portrayed as being a matter of practicality, when really, the most practical thing would seem to be to keep your wallet in your pocket and just jump on your bike and go!

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				<p><strong>The gear factor<p>What's best about the dutch cycling culture is how unself-conscious it is. No ridiculous racing gear for a simple commute--they wear their normal clothes and strap plastic bags on their feet when it's raining.<p>
Yes! &nbsp;I think that the "gear factor," prominent in so many American pastimes, is really a detriment to the popularity of cycling. &nbsp;If you notice how bike commuters are dressed (here in Seattle anyway), it's easy to get the impression that you have to buy all sorts of expensive spandex superhero clothes and little biking doo-dahs in order to do it the "right way" and be safe. I bike to work some days (in my street clothes) and at least half the other cyclists I see look like they're either on the USPS team hell-bent for France, or loaded down to ride all the way to Tierra del Fuego.<p>
Probably the worst part of all this is that having the right gear is portrayed as being a matter of practicality, when really, the most practical thing would seem to be to keep your wallet in your pocket and just jump on your bike and go!

<p>Grist's <a href="http://grist.org/comments/interactivist" rel="nofollow">InterActivist ... creating a one-of-a-kind portrait of on-the-ground activism.</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Dan O</title>
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				<p><strong>Bike commuting can work here also</strong></p><p>I've read similar facts about the Netherlands and how bike friendly is it. &nbsp;I also have a friend who lived in Amsterdam for a few years and experienced it. &nbsp;A very cool setup and something to admire for sure.</p><p>
I've bike commuted on and off for over 20 years, the last 4 years or so - quite a bit. &nbsp;I commute 17 miles one way from Kenmore to downtown Seattle. &nbsp;34 miles a day, 3 - 5 days per week. &nbsp;I do slack off some during the winter - then crank it up the rest of the year. &nbsp;On a yearly basis, I now ride more then drive - to work anyway. &nbsp;</p><p>
To some, probably sounds like a big deal - it's not. &nbsp;It takes me about an hour each way, not much longer then driving. &nbsp;Driving on a normal traffic day takes 35 - 45 minutes, some days an hour. &nbsp;Plus pay to park, fuel, and pollution - you know the story. &nbsp;After bike commuting for awhile, sitting in traffic seems even more tortuous then usual.</p><p>
I'm lucky since about 90% of my current bike commute is on the Burke-Gilman trail. &nbsp;The BG is a well used regional trail that allows off street riding. &nbsp;I'm convinced if more trails like this existed, more people would commute by bike. &nbsp;The side of road "painted bike paths" are still better then nothing, since they do remind motorists that bikes exist. &nbsp;However, the off-street bike paths are much more inviting and nicer to use.</p><p>
You don't need to be a hard core rider with an expensive bike and racer clothes to commute - although I'm guilty on all those counts. &nbsp;If you live within 10 miles of work, pick out the quietest route possible and give it a shot. &nbsp;Use the bike you currently own, or pick up something used. &nbsp;Carry your stuff in a messenger bag or backpack. &nbsp;No need to go crazy with equipment, experiment to see what works best for you. &nbsp;No need to be a hero and ride everyday. &nbsp;Try a few days a week and mix up with using other forms of transportation - rack on bus, drive in and ride home, etc.</p><p>
I've mentored a few people on commuting, met them to ride in or home - and get a huge kick seeing the grin on their face - "Wow, I rode all the way to work!" &nbsp; A few continued to ride, other have not. &nbsp;It isn't for everybody, but if it clicks for you - is a killer solution to a lot of issues.</p><p>
There are a few stumbling blocks to get more people riding in U.S. &nbsp;We need more bike paths and general awareness that bikes can be transportation - instead of toys or sport gear to lie next to the BBQ grill and skis. &nbsp;Another is the "uniform" of the "serious cyclist" - to look a racer. &nbsp;This puts many people off and is not necessary.</p><p>
I find many people are interested in the idea of commuting. &nbsp;An example is the Commuter Challenge run by the Cascade bike club here in Seattle. &nbsp;Runs the month of May and puts people and companies together in a friendly competition for most commuting miles and round trips. &nbsp;About 600 teams and 6000 people sign up for this - not too bad for just the Seattle area. &nbsp;I usually recruit a few teams for my company and can see the increase of people riding during the month. &nbsp;A cool sight indeed and perhaps a glimpse into the future.</p><p>
More info on the commute challenge: &nbsp;www.cascade.org</p><p>
Two bike companies geared towards commuting: &nbsp;www.breezerbikes.com &nbsp;www.rivbike.com<br>


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				<p><strong>Bike commuting can work here also</strong></p><p>I've read similar facts about the Netherlands and how bike friendly is it. &nbsp;I also have a friend who lived in Amsterdam for a few years and experienced it. &nbsp;A very cool setup and something to admire for sure.</p><p>
I've bike commuted on and off for over 20 years, the last 4 years or so - quite a bit. &nbsp;I commute 17 miles one way from Kenmore to downtown Seattle. &nbsp;34 miles a day, 3 - 5 days per week. &nbsp;I do slack off some during the winter - then crank it up the rest of the year. &nbsp;On a yearly basis, I now ride more then drive - to work anyway. &nbsp;</p><p>
To some, probably sounds like a big deal - it's not. &nbsp;It takes me about an hour each way, not much longer then driving. &nbsp;Driving on a normal traffic day takes 35 - 45 minutes, some days an hour. &nbsp;Plus pay to park, fuel, and pollution - you know the story. &nbsp;After bike commuting for awhile, sitting in traffic seems even more tortuous then usual.</p><p>
I'm lucky since about 90% of my current bike commute is on the Burke-Gilman trail. &nbsp;The BG is a well used regional trail that allows off street riding. &nbsp;I'm convinced if more trails like this existed, more people would commute by bike. &nbsp;The side of road "painted bike paths" are still better then nothing, since they do remind motorists that bikes exist. &nbsp;However, the off-street bike paths are much more inviting and nicer to use.</p><p>
You don't need to be a hard core rider with an expensive bike and racer clothes to commute - although I'm guilty on all those counts. &nbsp;If you live within 10 miles of work, pick out the quietest route possible and give it a shot. &nbsp;Use the bike you currently own, or pick up something used. &nbsp;Carry your stuff in a messenger bag or backpack. &nbsp;No need to go crazy with equipment, experiment to see what works best for you. &nbsp;No need to be a hero and ride everyday. &nbsp;Try a few days a week and mix up with using other forms of transportation - rack on bus, drive in and ride home, etc.</p><p>
I've mentored a few people on commuting, met them to ride in or home - and get a huge kick seeing the grin on their face - "Wow, I rode all the way to work!" &nbsp; A few continued to ride, other have not. &nbsp;It isn't for everybody, but if it clicks for you - is a killer solution to a lot of issues.</p><p>
There are a few stumbling blocks to get more people riding in U.S. &nbsp;We need more bike paths and general awareness that bikes can be transportation - instead of toys or sport gear to lie next to the BBQ grill and skis. &nbsp;Another is the "uniform" of the "serious cyclist" - to look a racer. &nbsp;This puts many people off and is not necessary.</p><p>
I find many people are interested in the idea of commuting. &nbsp;An example is the Commuter Challenge run by the Cascade bike club here in Seattle. &nbsp;Runs the month of May and puts people and companies together in a friendly competition for most commuting miles and round trips. &nbsp;About 600 teams and 6000 people sign up for this - not too bad for just the Seattle area. &nbsp;I usually recruit a few teams for my company and can see the increase of people riding during the month. &nbsp;A cool sight indeed and perhaps a glimpse into the future.</p><p>
More info on the commute challenge: &nbsp;www.cascade.org</p><p>
Two bike companies geared towards commuting: &nbsp;www.breezerbikes.com &nbsp;www.rivbike.com<br>


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