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            <title>Comment #1 by ids</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:48:57 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>any of you out there can find holes</strong></p><p>Your treatment of clean coal technology as a sustainable option makes it all a waste<br>
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				<p><strong>any of you out there can find holes</strong></p><p>Your treatment of clean coal technology as a sustainable option makes it all a waste<br>
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            <title>Comment #2 by F James Handley</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/would-boxers-bill-cut-co2-emissions-by-2020/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:16:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Carbon Tax &amp; Dividend beats cap &amp; trade<p>Yes, Boxer-Lieberman-Warner's now a mere "trial balloon." (Or is that a "hot-air" balloon?)<p>
Cap-and-trade carries intrinsic flaws: price volatility, manipulation, long implementation delays, nearly impossible enforcement, regressivity, potential for tradeable permits to fund arms deals and terrorism... &nbsp; <p>
Beyond cap-and-trade's intrinsic flaws, Romm shows that B-L-W's "cost containment" measures would gobble up emissions reductions. &nbsp;<p>
To add insult to injury, B-L-W would GIVE most permits to polluters, rather than auction them. &nbsp;(See FoE's "Fix or Ditch Lieberman-Warner" campaign.) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<p>
In B-L-W, revenue from auctioned permits winds up "kick starting" a list of political favorites, including Carbon Capture and Sequestration (CCS). &nbsp;<p>
The idea: capture (condense) CO2 from hot exhaust gases of coal-fired power plants. &nbsp;How? &nbsp;Giant refrigeration systems. &nbsp;Where's THAT energy come from? &nbsp;MORE COAL. &nbsp;Still more energy to pump the CO2 into depleted underground gas formations. &nbsp;(Possibly offset by methane (natural gas) displaced by CO2.) &nbsp; &nbsp;<p>
PEPCO Energy charges ~25% extra for 100% wind-generated electricity in DC. &nbsp;Could CO2 be captured and sequestered for less than 25% of the net energy from coal? &nbsp;If not, wind energy is ALREADY cheaper than coal + CCS and should become more economical as we improve designs and build capacity. &nbsp;Conversely, CCS will become more costly as the easier sequestration sites are used up and pumping costs (for longer distances and deeper formations) rise. &nbsp;It's a dead-end. &nbsp;<p>
So, can we PLEASE cut out the subsidies already? &nbsp;Government trying to pick technological winners got us corn-produced ethanol, a net energy loser surviving on government largess. &nbsp;<p>
Better yet, skip cap-and-trade AND the subsidies! Let the markets work. Tilt the playing field away from fossil fuels with a gradually-increasing revenue-neutral carbon tax and distribute the reveneue as a per person dividend. &nbsp;The Congressional Budget Office reported that a carbon tax would work FIVE times as effectively as a fixed cap. Economists ranging from Rob Shapiro (former Clinton Admin), Bill Nordhaus (Yale) to Ken Green (AEI) agree that a revenue-neutral carbon tax works much better for both the economy and the environment than clumsy cap-and-trade. &nbsp;<p>
With gimmicks like "cost containment" and CCS, B-L-W looks worse than doing nothing, at least for now. &nbsp;<p>
Not a moment too soon to start building support for a gradually-increasing revenue-neutral carbon tax like the one British Columbia is impementing. &nbsp;The election's less than half a year away. &nbsp;<p>
For more on a gradually-increasing carbon tax with dividend, see <a href="http://www.CarbonTax.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.CarbonTax.org.<br>
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				<p><strong>Carbon Tax &amp; Dividend beats cap &amp; trade<p>Yes, Boxer-Lieberman-Warner's now a mere "trial balloon." (Or is that a "hot-air" balloon?)<p>
Cap-and-trade carries intrinsic flaws: price volatility, manipulation, long implementation delays, nearly impossible enforcement, regressivity, potential for tradeable permits to fund arms deals and terrorism... &nbsp; <p>
Beyond cap-and-trade's intrinsic flaws, Romm shows that B-L-W's "cost containment" measures would gobble up emissions reductions. &nbsp;<p>
To add insult to injury, B-L-W would GIVE most permits to polluters, rather than auction them. &nbsp;(See FoE's "Fix or Ditch Lieberman-Warner" campaign.) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<p>
In B-L-W, revenue from auctioned permits winds up "kick starting" a list of political favorites, including Carbon Capture and Sequestration (CCS). &nbsp;<p>
The idea: capture (condense) CO2 from hot exhaust gases of coal-fired power plants. &nbsp;How? &nbsp;Giant refrigeration systems. &nbsp;Where's THAT energy come from? &nbsp;MORE COAL. &nbsp;Still more energy to pump the CO2 into depleted underground gas formations. &nbsp;(Possibly offset by methane (natural gas) displaced by CO2.) &nbsp; &nbsp;<p>
PEPCO Energy charges ~25% extra for 100% wind-generated electricity in DC. &nbsp;Could CO2 be captured and sequestered for less than 25% of the net energy from coal? &nbsp;If not, wind energy is ALREADY cheaper than coal + CCS and should become more economical as we improve designs and build capacity. &nbsp;Conversely, CCS will become more costly as the easier sequestration sites are used up and pumping costs (for longer distances and deeper formations) rise. &nbsp;It's a dead-end. &nbsp;<p>
So, can we PLEASE cut out the subsidies already? &nbsp;Government trying to pick technological winners got us corn-produced ethanol, a net energy loser surviving on government largess. &nbsp;<p>
Better yet, skip cap-and-trade AND the subsidies! Let the markets work. Tilt the playing field away from fossil fuels with a gradually-increasing revenue-neutral carbon tax and distribute the reveneue as a per person dividend. &nbsp;The Congressional Budget Office reported that a carbon tax would work FIVE times as effectively as a fixed cap. Economists ranging from Rob Shapiro (former Clinton Admin), Bill Nordhaus (Yale) to Ken Green (AEI) agree that a revenue-neutral carbon tax works much better for both the economy and the environment than clumsy cap-and-trade. &nbsp;<p>
With gimmicks like "cost containment" and CCS, B-L-W looks worse than doing nothing, at least for now. &nbsp;<p>
Not a moment too soon to start building support for a gradually-increasing revenue-neutral carbon tax like the one British Columbia is impementing. &nbsp;The election's less than half a year away. &nbsp;<p>
For more on a gradually-increasing carbon tax with dividend, see <a href="http://www.CarbonTax.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.CarbonTax.org.<br>
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