<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for How chainsaw toting underwear models helped save America’s most endangered large mammal]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/ Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:19:27 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/1 Whoa...

http://www.victoriasdirtysecret.net/img/original/chain1_4.jpg

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Whoa...

http://www.victoriasdirtysecret.net/img/original/chain1_4.jpg

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #2 by caniscandida http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/ Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:22:49 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/2 "cull"

A shameful euphemism.  It sounds like plucking posies for a bouquet.

The photograph of the mountain caribou is wonderful.  The colors are so moody and evocative.  The forest is as if from an adventure story, opaque and daunting.  The animals themselves are in a tight grouping, but confused, as if startled and apprehensive.

I have selected it to replace Joseph Romm's magnificent polar bear with the blue tongue, who has been up for several weeks now.

By contrast, BioD's angel is altogether indescribable.  I am thinking of using it for my Christmas card.

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.

]]> "cull"

A shameful euphemism.  It sounds like plucking posies for a bouquet.

The photograph of the mountain caribou is wonderful.  The colors are so moody and evocative.  The forest is as if from an adventure story, opaque and daunting.  The animals themselves are in a tight grouping, but confused, as if startled and apprehensive.

I have selected it to replace Joseph Romm's magnificent polar bear with the blue tongue, who has been up for several weeks now.

By contrast, BioD's angel is altogether indescribable.  I am thinking of using it for my Christmas card.

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.

]]> Comment #3 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/ Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:54:18 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/3 Great campaign!

Focusing on the yearning for sexual status.  Use the driving force of life to stop the forces of destruction.  Why not?

More of these protests are needed.  Mass media loves sex.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Great campaign!

Focusing on the yearning for sexual status.  Use the driving force of life to stop the forces of destruction.  Why not?

More of these protests are needed.  Mass media loves sex.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Comment #4 by Deane http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/ Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:20:16 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/4 This greenwash ensures caribou extinction

"The government's announcement focuses on protection of winter mountain caribou habitat," says Pettitt. "That means high-elevation forest of little worth to logging companies. This suggests that a large amount of lush low- and mid-elevation old-growth forest may have been traded off to the logging companies in return for preserving forest that the caribou can use only one season of the year. Without four-season habitat, the mountain caribou will continue to disappear. The mountain caribou has been a victim of planning hoaxes for years," says Sherrod. "That's why Valhalla Wilderness Watch and many other environmental groups need to see the details of this plan, to scrutinize exactly what it means for the caribou. The ten environmental groups that are now in partnership with the government and these collaborating vested interests can't very well provide that scrutiny. "This has come as a real shock because this is the first time that a BC government has decided who will represent the environmental movement."
http://wildernesswatch@netidea.com

The mountain caribou range within an area that's more or less 14 million hectares. With the 2.2 million hectares that the government says it will bring up to protection, that's protecting 15% of the area. As opposed to about 34% that was protected on the mid- and north-coasts and the 50% that scientists say must be protected to maintain species. Now, let's say we get that much protected, and that leaves 85% of the mountain caribou range to continue to be logged. An animal that is now on the brink of extinction because of the degree of logging of its habitat is not going survive having logging go on over 85% of its range. We saw we could no longer afford the luxury of being able, with a sweep of our arm, to point out how much the loggers have left to support their livelihoods. They've logged so much of it that a species like the mountain caribou is on the verge of extinction and its critical imperillment means critical imperillment for a whole list of species connected with old growth. Nor is it any accident that Slocan Forest Products pulled out, that Pope & Talbot is fighting bankruptcy, that the cedar logging outfit up in the Robson Valley went bankrupt. This is no longer about leaving a good whole bunch of forest for logging. This is about the fact we've almost logged it all and we have to decide whether we are really going to kill off our wildlife to strip what old growth remains. We can't escape what we know now: The critical links of the mountain caribou's habitat have to be preserved now or we are going to kill a major species and wipe out a whole constellation of low-elevation old-growth species. 380,000 hectares of new protection is enough only if we don't mind that. And if we don't mind it, we are in a lot of trouble on other fronts. As you know, we are losing 10 million hectares of dry pine forests. Our forests are our carbon sinks, and in the humid forests there are huge trees and ancient soils that hold huge quantities of carbon. By what insanity are we continuing to log our humid forests when that's all we have left to help mitigate global warming? The difficulty that Valhalla experienced, that you experience, at the crossroads where we must try to save or abandon a wide-ranging, old-growth dependent species is the same torpor that could wipe out the human race.
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]]> This greenwash ensures caribou extinction

"The government's announcement focuses on protection of winter mountain caribou habitat," says Pettitt. "That means high-elevation forest of little worth to logging companies. This suggests that a large amount of lush low- and mid-elevation old-growth forest may have been traded off to the logging companies in return for preserving forest that the caribou can use only one season of the year. Without four-season habitat, the mountain caribou will continue to disappear. The mountain caribou has been a victim of planning hoaxes for years," says Sherrod. "That's why Valhalla Wilderness Watch and many other environmental groups need to see the details of this plan, to scrutinize exactly what it means for the caribou. The ten environmental groups that are now in partnership with the government and these collaborating vested interests can't very well provide that scrutiny. "This has come as a real shock because this is the first time that a BC government has decided who will represent the environmental movement."
http://wildernesswatch@netidea.com

The mountain caribou range within an area that's more or less 14 million hectares. With the 2.2 million hectares that the government says it will bring up to protection, that's protecting 15% of the area. As opposed to about 34% that was protected on the mid- and north-coasts and the 50% that scientists say must be protected to maintain species. Now, let's say we get that much protected, and that leaves 85% of the mountain caribou range to continue to be logged. An animal that is now on the brink of extinction because of the degree of logging of its habitat is not going survive having logging go on over 85% of its range. We saw we could no longer afford the luxury of being able, with a sweep of our arm, to point out how much the loggers have left to support their livelihoods. They've logged so much of it that a species like the mountain caribou is on the verge of extinction and its critical imperillment means critical imperillment for a whole list of species connected with old growth. Nor is it any accident that Slocan Forest Products pulled out, that Pope & Talbot is fighting bankruptcy, that the cedar logging outfit up in the Robson Valley went bankrupt. This is no longer about leaving a good whole bunch of forest for logging. This is about the fact we've almost logged it all and we have to decide whether we are really going to kill off our wildlife to strip what old growth remains. We can't escape what we know now: The critical links of the mountain caribou's habitat have to be preserved now or we are going to kill a major species and wipe out a whole constellation of low-elevation old-growth species. 380,000 hectares of new protection is enough only if we don't mind that. And if we don't mind it, we are in a lot of trouble on other fronts. As you know, we are losing 10 million hectares of dry pine forests. Our forests are our carbon sinks, and in the humid forests there are huge trees and ancient soils that hold huge quantities of carbon. By what insanity are we continuing to log our humid forests when that's all we have left to help mitigate global warming? The difficulty that Valhalla experienced, that you experience, at the crossroads where we must try to save or abandon a wide-ranging, old-growth dependent species is the same torpor that could wipe out the human race.
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]]> Comment #5 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/ Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:50:25 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/5 Santa Claus...


...is comin' to town.

John Bailo
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]]> Santa Claus...


...is comin' to town.

John Bailo
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]]> Comment #6 by atreyger http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/ Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:38:54 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/6 I would like to find out,

why these caribou love old growth forests so much. Considering that the rest of the populations don't, and survive perfectly well in second-growth, treeline, taiga or in tundra. Seems dubious, and likely subversive.

]]> I would like to find out,

why these caribou love old growth forests so much. Considering that the rest of the populations don't, and survive perfectly well in second-growth, treeline, taiga or in tundra. Seems dubious, and likely subversive.

]]> Comment #7 by caniscandida http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/ Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:59:24 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/woo-hoo-caribou/7 Cervidae are flexible

ATreyger,
most deer seem able to pass among ecosystems, in the course of a day, a season or a year, whether by habit or by response to a new pressure.  It is well-known that the elk of Yellowstone, back in the days of wolflessness, used to hang out in the open lowlands around streams and eat up the seedlings; but now that the wolves have been restored, the elk must keep out of sight more, staying in the woods longer, with the result that trees at last have a chance to grow.

It would be nice to know more about the evolution of the caribou/reindeer, Rangifer tarandus.  (The Roman naturalist Pliny the Elder's word for reindeer is "tarandrus.")  In North America, there are no less than three forms, the Barren Ground Caribou, inhabiting tundra regions, e.g. our friends the Porcupine herd whose calving ground is the coastal plain of ANWR; Peary's Caribou, a smaller, paler form, on the Arctic islands of Canada; and the Woodland Caribou, aka Mountain Caribou, in the forested slopes of the northern Rockies.  The forms are phenotypically distinct (Woodland Caribou are larger and darker), and are physically separated; so, according to evolutionary theory, we can expect them to blossom into full-blown separate species any day now.  To say nothing of the Old-World Reindeer!

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.


]]> Cervidae are flexible

ATreyger,
most deer seem able to pass among ecosystems, in the course of a day, a season or a year, whether by habit or by response to a new pressure.  It is well-known that the elk of Yellowstone, back in the days of wolflessness, used to hang out in the open lowlands around streams and eat up the seedlings; but now that the wolves have been restored, the elk must keep out of sight more, staying in the woods longer, with the result that trees at last have a chance to grow.

It would be nice to know more about the evolution of the caribou/reindeer, Rangifer tarandus.  (The Roman naturalist Pliny the Elder's word for reindeer is "tarandrus.")  In North America, there are no less than three forms, the Barren Ground Caribou, inhabiting tundra regions, e.g. our friends the Porcupine herd whose calving ground is the coastal plain of ANWR; Peary's Caribou, a smaller, paler form, on the Arctic islands of Canada; and the Woodland Caribou, aka Mountain Caribou, in the forested slopes of the northern Rockies.  The forms are phenotypically distinct (Woodland Caribou are larger and darker), and are physically separated; so, according to evolutionary theory, we can expect them to blossom into full-blown separate species any day now.  To say nothing of the Old-World Reindeer!

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.


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