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            <title>Comment #1 by Duggles</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:54:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>And then...</strong></p><p>You have people who take the view of "Why should I have to give stuff up just because the greenies say so?"</p><p>
Quite simply, not everyone buys into the precautionary principle. &nbsp;With that in mind, I wish you good luck, sir. &nbsp;You may need it.</p>
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				<p><strong>And then...</strong></p><p>You have people who take the view of "Why should I have to give stuff up just because the greenies say so?"</p><p>
Quite simply, not everyone buys into the precautionary principle. &nbsp;With that in mind, I wish you good luck, sir. &nbsp;You may need it.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:56:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cotton Gin to Carbon Gin</strong></p><p>The thing that kept slavery alive was the invention of the cotton gin. &nbsp; This device made it economically viable to have a lot of people picking cotton as fast as possible (for no wages) and then have it processed (by hand again) at a rapid rate.</p><p>
In the same way, we've built layer upon layer of technology whose purpose in many ways is to preserve the pyramidal structure of our society.</p><p>
How do "leveragers" exist if not for the rapid computerization of stocks? &nbsp; The Wall Street crowd is much like the famous crook who took fractions of interest off each bank transaction because nobody noticed...until the pennies turned into dollars and hundreds...</p><p>
In the same way, much of the labor and daily activity of humans goes into a vast drainage system, out of which trickles a paycheck.</p><p>
The fortresses of savings such as the dollar, Social Security and our health care system were raided and plundered. &nbsp; Instead of a lot of people sitting on a vast horde of treasure from the sweat and toil of the 20th century, most of us seem to have negative equity.</p><p>
Where did it go?</p><p>
And now, even still, the "environmentalists" seem to only be proposing more efficient "cotton gins" whether plugin hybrids or solar panels in the grid.</p><p>
In a world were the average person can be wealthy as in having as much of his time free for him to use will he spend vast amounts of it stuck in traffic on freeway? &nbsp; I think not.</p>
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				<p><strong>Cotton Gin to Carbon Gin</strong></p><p>The thing that kept slavery alive was the invention of the cotton gin. &nbsp; This device made it economically viable to have a lot of people picking cotton as fast as possible (for no wages) and then have it processed (by hand again) at a rapid rate.</p><p>
In the same way, we've built layer upon layer of technology whose purpose in many ways is to preserve the pyramidal structure of our society.</p><p>
How do "leveragers" exist if not for the rapid computerization of stocks? &nbsp; The Wall Street crowd is much like the famous crook who took fractions of interest off each bank transaction because nobody noticed...until the pennies turned into dollars and hundreds...</p><p>
In the same way, much of the labor and daily activity of humans goes into a vast drainage system, out of which trickles a paycheck.</p><p>
The fortresses of savings such as the dollar, Social Security and our health care system were raided and plundered. &nbsp; Instead of a lot of people sitting on a vast horde of treasure from the sweat and toil of the 20th century, most of us seem to have negative equity.</p><p>
Where did it go?</p><p>
And now, even still, the "environmentalists" seem to only be proposing more efficient "cotton gins" whether plugin hybrids or solar panels in the grid.</p><p>
In a world were the average person can be wealthy as in having as much of his time free for him to use will he spend vast amounts of it stuck in traffic on freeway? &nbsp; I think not.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by VCF</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:27:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>B Movie</strong></p><p>Your post reminded me of Gil Scott Heron's track, B Movie</p><p>
'And yesterday was the day of our cinema heroes riding to the rescue at the last possible moment. The day of the man in the white hat or the man on the white horse - or the man who always came to save America at the last moment someone always came to save America at the last moment especially in B movies.' <br>
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				<p><strong>B Movie</strong></p><p>Your post reminded me of Gil Scott Heron's track, B Movie</p><p>
'And yesterday was the day of our cinema heroes riding to the rescue at the last possible moment. The day of the man in the white hat or the man on the white horse - or the man who always came to save America at the last moment someone always came to save America at the last moment especially in B movies.' <br>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:45:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nobody has to believe in climate change<p>The citizens of Galveston didn't have to believe in an oncoming hurricane. After all the news was coming from a computerized satellite image. The residents of Greenburg Kansas didn't have to believe in the tornado warning. That came from doppler radar. <p>
The idea that all of us are going to move to a proverbial trailer park in tornado country because some of us can't be bothered to believe inconvenient truths is going to get shifted. <p>
I think the proponents of profitable scepticism are losing credibility at an exponential rate. At some point deniers will be mocked like flat earthers and UFO abducteees. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Nobody has to believe in climate change<p>The citizens of Galveston didn't have to believe in an oncoming hurricane. After all the news was coming from a computerized satellite image. The residents of Greenburg Kansas didn't have to believe in the tornado warning. That came from doppler radar. <p>
The idea that all of us are going to move to a proverbial trailer park in tornado country because some of us can't be bothered to believe inconvenient truths is going to get shifted. <p>
I think the proponents of profitable scepticism are losing credibility at an exponential rate. At some point deniers will be mocked like flat earthers and UFO abducteees. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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