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            <title>Comment #1 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:58:46 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Global warming will make Middle East a wasteland.</strong></p><p>I have hosted Saud royals in my home a number of times, gave some night rides in gimbaled Boeing seats suspended inside a big solar dish mirror.</p><p>
We discussed tribes, energy policy, and enemies. &nbsp;I remember their words like pictures, and read the Qu'ran to better understand their messages and methods. &nbsp;Believers can not lie.</p><p>
Saudi Arabia is the most sunny place on Earth. &nbsp;They want solar technology before the oil runs dry. &nbsp;Much the same logic Iran uses for nuclear power.</p><p>
Saudi Arabia is mostly Sunni and they most fear Iran Shiites. &nbsp;They planned to end the 1973-1985 oil embargo for a number reasons, most prominent was to reduce the threat from Iran. &nbsp;This had the side effect of the USSR collapse because the Soviet military-industrial complex was financed with hard currency from oil exports.</p><p>
The collapse of oil prices in 1986 ended investor support for renewable energy. &nbsp;</p><p>
A new Islamic war financed by oil will flood the world with cheap oil and the atmosphere with carbon.</p><p>
This smoldering civil war dates back to the life and times of the Prophet Mohammad, a struggle between his descendants and his lieutenants.</p>
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				<p><strong>Global warming will make Middle East a wasteland.</strong></p><p>I have hosted Saud royals in my home a number of times, gave some night rides in gimbaled Boeing seats suspended inside a big solar dish mirror.</p><p>
We discussed tribes, energy policy, and enemies. &nbsp;I remember their words like pictures, and read the Qu'ran to better understand their messages and methods. &nbsp;Believers can not lie.</p><p>
Saudi Arabia is the most sunny place on Earth. &nbsp;They want solar technology before the oil runs dry. &nbsp;Much the same logic Iran uses for nuclear power.</p><p>
Saudi Arabia is mostly Sunni and they most fear Iran Shiites. &nbsp;They planned to end the 1973-1985 oil embargo for a number reasons, most prominent was to reduce the threat from Iran. &nbsp;This had the side effect of the USSR collapse because the Soviet military-industrial complex was financed with hard currency from oil exports.</p><p>
The collapse of oil prices in 1986 ended investor support for renewable energy. &nbsp;</p><p>
A new Islamic war financed by oil will flood the world with cheap oil and the atmosphere with carbon.</p><p>
This smoldering civil war dates back to the life and times of the Prophet Mohammad, a struggle between his descendants and his lieutenants.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:21:44 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cheap oil or expensive oil?</strong></p><p>sunflower...</p><p>
Won't the first step for each side be the disabling of the other's oil infrastructure?</p><p>
Iran has also tested an underwater missle that could easily take out oil tankers.</p><p>
I would expect the price of oil to soar as the rest of the world competes for oil from other regions -- which will allow each side to finance the war by selling what they have left at a higher price.</p>
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				<p><strong>Cheap oil or expensive oil?</strong></p><p>sunflower...</p><p>
Won't the first step for each side be the disabling of the other's oil infrastructure?</p><p>
Iran has also tested an underwater missle that could easily take out oil tankers.</p><p>
I would expect the price of oil to soar as the rest of the world competes for oil from other regions -- which will allow each side to finance the war by selling what they have left at a higher price.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by jjwfmme</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:35:12 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>And don't forget...<p>...We still haven't started on Cheney's plans in Iran:<p>
<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/061127fa_fact" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/061127fa_f...<p>
<a href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon_confirms_Iranian_directorate_as_intelligence_0615.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon_confirms_Irani...<p>
Hopefully the Saudis talked some sense into him on this front... &nbsp;</p></a></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>And don't forget...<p>...We still haven't started on Cheney's plans in Iran:<p>
<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/061127fa_fact" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/061127fa_f...<p>
<a href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon_confirms_Iranian_directorate_as_intelligence_0615.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon_confirms_Irani...<p>
Hopefully the Saudis talked some sense into him on this front... &nbsp;</p></a></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:43:14 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>There is only one thing to do...</strong></p><p>The U.S. must create an independent Arab Sunni state in Iraq and Saudi Arabia must become its protector. One for the Kurds and one for the Shiites as well.</p><p>
It would also be nice if everyone in the new independent states (Sunnis, Kurds, and Shiites) could receive a share of the oil revenue from former Iraqi territory... like the folks in Alaska get. It would give people something to live for.</p><p>
Iraq was created by the British. It must be dissolved by their heirs.</p><p>
My limited imagination sees no other course for avoiding an ethnic/economic/ecological disaster in the Middle East.</p>
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				<p><strong>There is only one thing to do...</strong></p><p>The U.S. must create an independent Arab Sunni state in Iraq and Saudi Arabia must become its protector. One for the Kurds and one for the Shiites as well.</p><p>
It would also be nice if everyone in the new independent states (Sunnis, Kurds, and Shiites) could receive a share of the oil revenue from former Iraqi territory... like the folks in Alaska get. It would give people something to live for.</p><p>
Iraq was created by the British. It must be dissolved by their heirs.</p><p>
My limited imagination sees no other course for avoiding an ethnic/economic/ecological disaster in the Middle East.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:56:30 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Proxy wars</strong></p><p>The Iran-Iraq war did not stop the flow of oil. &nbsp;The flow of Iran's oil is not a target of Cheney. &nbsp;Even Osama bin Laden does not target Saudi oil. &nbsp;And most amazing, the oil of Iraq is still being exported. </p><p>
The Islamic civil war will be fought in Iraq. &nbsp;Oil prices are the international weapons of choice.</p><p>
Market instabilities will occur, but there will be plenty of oil. &nbsp;These combatants will not want to encourage market alternatives to oil.</p>
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				<p><strong>Proxy wars</strong></p><p>The Iran-Iraq war did not stop the flow of oil. &nbsp;The flow of Iran's oil is not a target of Cheney. &nbsp;Even Osama bin Laden does not target Saudi oil. &nbsp;And most amazing, the oil of Iraq is still being exported. </p><p>
The Islamic civil war will be fought in Iraq. &nbsp;Oil prices are the international weapons of choice.</p><p>
Market instabilities will occur, but there will be plenty of oil. &nbsp;These combatants will not want to encourage market alternatives to oil.</p>
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