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            <title>Comment #1 by lutz</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:27:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Gray Whale Slaughter</strong></p><p>Those 5 fools should be prosecuted to the full extent of Tribal Law AND Federal Law...It's not like they needed to eat it &amp; I understand customs..I have quite a few myself...fortunately selfishness is not one of them...by the comments that the capt. of the canoe made he obviously could care less about right or wrong..it's what he wanted to do...silly Indians..tricks are for kids..leave the decisions to the elders..that's why they are in that position..because they are obviously way more intelligent than those 5 guys... &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;lutz</p>
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				<p><strong>Gray Whale Slaughter</strong></p><p>Those 5 fools should be prosecuted to the full extent of Tribal Law AND Federal Law...It's not like they needed to eat it &amp; I understand customs..I have quite a few myself...fortunately selfishness is not one of them...by the comments that the capt. of the canoe made he obviously could care less about right or wrong..it's what he wanted to do...silly Indians..tricks are for kids..leave the decisions to the elders..that's why they are in that position..because they are obviously way more intelligent than those 5 guys... &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;lutz</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:53:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Rights</strong></p><p><br>
Rights to destroy. &nbsp;Just like "sportmen" have.</p><p>
Destroy for "sport", for trophies, or for politics.</p><p>
Did anyone save the whale meat to be used for food? &nbsp;Sacred food, gathered in a sacred hunt? &nbsp;That's a crucial aspect under reported in this story.</p><p>
I would like to see bison herds restored on the great plains and most of our meat coming from these more earth friendly sources.</p><p>
Let the whales be. &nbsp;Hunt and eat bison instead. &nbsp;Earth "kosher" food.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Rights</strong></p><p><br>
Rights to destroy. &nbsp;Just like "sportmen" have.</p><p>
Destroy for "sport", for trophies, or for politics.</p><p>
Did anyone save the whale meat to be used for food? &nbsp;Sacred food, gathered in a sacred hunt? &nbsp;That's a crucial aspect under reported in this story.</p><p>
I would like to see bison herds restored on the great plains and most of our meat coming from these more earth friendly sources.</p><p>
Let the whales be. &nbsp;Hunt and eat bison instead. &nbsp;Earth "kosher" food.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:34:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>sad and tangled story</strong></p><p>Thanks, Amazing, for commenting; I would not have seen this otherwise.</p><p>
Preserving the dignity of Native peoples should be a matter of high public value. &nbsp;Therefore the issue of the resumption of whaling by the Makah is terribly vexed and complicated.</p><p>
We may hope that the tribe can creatively find a way to preserve the importance of whales in their culture, without thinking of them simply as food sources to be killed and eaten. &nbsp;The attitude expressed in this quote might start the creative thinking:<br>
&lt;&lt;<br>
Makah tribal members said reactions on the reservation were mixed. "It just gives me the shivers," said Charlotte King. "It's kind of good news and sad news. I have mixed feelings. It's exciting that we are exercising our right to go whaling, but I like whales, too."<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
It is interesting that this episode is reminiscent of what happened often in the 19th century: the tribal elders counsel peace and cooperation with the White Man, but some of the young bloods grow impatient with that arrangement, and go off independently and commit some violent action. &nbsp;Of course, back then, the violent action would get the whole people into trouble.</p><p>
In this 2007 case, it seems the rogue whalers will be prosecuted separately. &nbsp;It would not be surprising, though, if other members of the tribe chip in to pay the fines, and if there will now be some lingering prejudice against the tribe in the law courts.</p><p>
It should not pass without comment that these rogue whalers seem not to have known what they were doing: the guy with the gun was blasting away, according to one witness, the whale clearly did not die easily, and it was not retrieved. &nbsp;And the other Makah were aware of that. &nbsp;The mother of one of the whalers is quoted as saying she wished the whale could be "put out of its misery."</br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>sad and tangled story</strong></p><p>Thanks, Amazing, for commenting; I would not have seen this otherwise.</p><p>
Preserving the dignity of Native peoples should be a matter of high public value. &nbsp;Therefore the issue of the resumption of whaling by the Makah is terribly vexed and complicated.</p><p>
We may hope that the tribe can creatively find a way to preserve the importance of whales in their culture, without thinking of them simply as food sources to be killed and eaten. &nbsp;The attitude expressed in this quote might start the creative thinking:<br>
&lt;&lt;<br>
Makah tribal members said reactions on the reservation were mixed. "It just gives me the shivers," said Charlotte King. "It's kind of good news and sad news. I have mixed feelings. It's exciting that we are exercising our right to go whaling, but I like whales, too."<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
It is interesting that this episode is reminiscent of what happened often in the 19th century: the tribal elders counsel peace and cooperation with the White Man, but some of the young bloods grow impatient with that arrangement, and go off independently and commit some violent action. &nbsp;Of course, back then, the violent action would get the whole people into trouble.</p><p>
In this 2007 case, it seems the rogue whalers will be prosecuted separately. &nbsp;It would not be surprising, though, if other members of the tribe chip in to pay the fines, and if there will now be some lingering prejudice against the tribe in the law courts.</p><p>
It should not pass without comment that these rogue whalers seem not to have known what they were doing: the guy with the gun was blasting away, according to one witness, the whale clearly did not die easily, and it was not retrieved. &nbsp;And the other Makah were aware of that. &nbsp;The mother of one of the whalers is quoted as saying she wished the whale could be "put out of its misery."</br></br></br></p>
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