<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Some big whales no longer in trouble]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/ Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:36:04 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/1 First Gorillas...

...and now this!

If something big and cute doesn't go extinct soon, you guys are pretty much out of a job.

Eventually, we'll all be building bird feeders for Spotted Owls in our backyards, once the Hydrogen Economy gets underway.

Oh, and I'm planning a fishing trip -- to my seaside dacha on the Arctic Ocean...another few years and it will be teeming with salmon.

]]> First Gorillas...

...and now this!

If something big and cute doesn't go extinct soon, you guys are pretty much out of a job.

Eventually, we'll all be building bird feeders for Spotted Owls in our backyards, once the Hydrogen Economy gets underway.

Oh, and I'm planning a fishing trip -- to my seaside dacha on the Arctic Ocean...another few years and it will be teeming with salmon.

]]> Comment #2 by Jason D Scorse http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/ Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:44:49 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/2 Environmentalists can't win this argumnent....

if they rely on sustainability criteria alone. If a species isn't threatened with extinction and that's the only criteria for protection then the Japanese and Norwegians are correct that it's ok to kill many species of whales. Like I pointed out to 2 years ago:

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/13/123759/733

if environmentalists don't embrace basic notions of animal welfare then they have essentially no case against whaling.

P.S. Jabailo- what rightwing institute pays you to provide us with all of this free comedy? I want to thank them for the laughs.

]]> Environmentalists can't win this argumnent....

if they rely on sustainability criteria alone. If a species isn't threatened with extinction and that's the only criteria for protection then the Japanese and Norwegians are correct that it's ok to kill many species of whales. Like I pointed out to 2 years ago:

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/13/123759/733

if environmentalists don't embrace basic notions of animal welfare then they have essentially no case against whaling.

P.S. Jabailo- what rightwing institute pays you to provide us with all of this free comedy? I want to thank them for the laughs.

]]> Comment #3 by Wolverine http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/ Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:39:30 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/3 Not True, Jason

Whales are still all at very low numbers compared to before industrial whaling began, so there are still good arguments against whaling based on just the health of the species.  That said, it's true that we should also use humane arguments, such as not killing large animals for food.  If you can't catch it from shore or with a small boat, leave it alone.

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Whales are still all at very low numbers compared to before industrial whaling began, so there are still good arguments against whaling based on just the health of the species.  That said, it's true that we should also use humane arguments, such as not killing large animals for food.  If you can't catch it from shore or with a small boat, leave it alone.

]]> Comment #4 by amc89 http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/ Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:07:29 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/4 consumptive wildlife activities

It's not just the whaling lobby that uses this notion of now that a species is somewhat recovered, it's okay to once again start doing the behavior that reduced numbers in the first place. The commercial seal hunters in Canada, the wolf hunters in the western US, commercial fur trappers, commercial fishermen and so on. This is why I'm always weary of initiatives by environmental groups like the Sierra Club to work with hunting groups and other groups promoting consumptive wildlife activities.  

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It's not just the whaling lobby that uses this notion of now that a species is somewhat recovered, it's okay to once again start doing the behavior that reduced numbers in the first place. The commercial seal hunters in Canada, the wolf hunters in the western US, commercial fur trappers, commercial fishermen and so on. This is why I'm always weary of initiatives by environmental groups like the Sierra Club to work with hunting groups and other groups promoting consumptive wildlife activities.  

]]> Comment #5 by archigeek http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/ Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:59:38 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/5 Big Blue

 I would kill a Republican to see a blue whale. An animal that large and beautiful shouldn't be a sushi dinner or some Norwegians steak.

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 I would kill a Republican to see a blue whale. An animal that large and beautiful shouldn't be a sushi dinner or some Norwegians steak.

]]> Comment #6 by Jason D Scorse http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/ Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:24:19 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/whales3/6 amc98...

this is exactly my point. If you get into the game of the environment as nothing more than a consumptive resource you ultimately lose.

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this is exactly my point. If you get into the game of the environment as nothing more than a consumptive resource you ultimately lose.

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