<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for There is a silver-bullet solution to global warming]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:47:47 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/1 Kids! Turn off the TV!


Webcast?  How about reading some scientific papers and reading instead of spending all night "social networking" with your no-good friends?

For example:

Study Says Glaciers Formed During a Very Warm Period
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/world/europe/11glacier. ...

At the time, tropical surface ocean temperatures in the west Atlantic exceeded 95 to 99 degrees Fahrenheit, several degrees warmer than now, and alligators and tropical breadfruit trees flourished in the Arctic.

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]]> Kids! Turn off the TV!


Webcast?  How about reading some scientific papers and reading instead of spending all night "social networking" with your no-good friends?

For example:

Study Says Glaciers Formed During a Very Warm Period
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/world/europe/11glacier. ...

At the time, tropical surface ocean temperatures in the west Atlantic exceeded 95 to 99 degrees Fahrenheit, several degrees warmer than now, and alligators and tropical breadfruit trees flourished in the Arctic.

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]]> Comment #2 by Edward Mazria http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:26:51 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/2 Ice Loss

From the same NY times article, seems you forgot to mention:

Thomas Wagner, a German scientist at Newcastle University in England who was among the authors, cautioned against concluding that modern ice in the Arctic or Antarctic might resist current global warming.

Or to add the latest article at (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008 ...): Escalating Ice Loss Found in Antarctica

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From the same NY times article, seems you forgot to mention:

Thomas Wagner, a German scientist at Newcastle University in England who was among the authors, cautioned against concluding that modern ice in the Arctic or Antarctic might resist current global warming.

Or to add the latest article at (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008 ...): Escalating Ice Loss Found in Antarctica

]]> Comment #3 by GreenEngineer http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:47:23 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/3 Hey Ed,

A friendly piece of advice: Just ignore jabailo.  This community has unfortunately attracted a certain number of persistent trolls who appear to get their jollies by interjecting nonsense into the discussion and sidetracking real dialog.  Jabailo is one of them.

Ignoring them is the best policy.  It doesn't make them go away, but it minimizes their ability to damage the dialog.

By the way, welcome to Gristmill.  This is actually one of the best green communities on the net, trolls notwithstanding.  I appreciate the work you've done in setting a difficult-but-achievable goal with the 2030 Challenge, and I'm glad to see you here.

]]> Hey Ed,

A friendly piece of advice: Just ignore jabailo.  This community has unfortunately attracted a certain number of persistent trolls who appear to get their jollies by interjecting nonsense into the discussion and sidetracking real dialog.  Jabailo is one of them.

Ignoring them is the best policy.  It doesn't make them go away, but it minimizes their ability to damage the dialog.

By the way, welcome to Gristmill.  This is actually one of the best green communities on the net, trolls notwithstanding.  I appreciate the work you've done in setting a difficult-but-achievable goal with the 2030 Challenge, and I'm glad to see you here.

]]> Comment #4 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:15:30 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/4 Not Incompatible


Edward,

The two studies are not incompatible...as long as you accept naturo-genic origins for global warming.

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]]> Not Incompatible


Edward,

The two studies are not incompatible...as long as you accept naturo-genic origins for global warming.

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]]> Comment #5 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:17:14 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/5 But Dr. Zaius, he can speak!

A friendly piece of advice: Just ignore jabailo.  

See no science.
Hear no science.
Speak no science.

That is the mantra of the Pharasees of AGW orthodoxy...

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]]> But Dr. Zaius, he can speak!

A friendly piece of advice: Just ignore jabailo.  

See no science.
Hear no science.
Speak no science.

That is the mantra of the Pharasees of AGW orthodoxy...

My Log



]]> Comment #6 by Jon Rynn http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:27:09 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/6 ed (and bailo)

Ed --

Perhaps the point could be made that instead of talking about reducing emissions by x percent by 2050, say 80-90%, a concrete way to achieve that is to say we need to decrease the amount of coal plant emissions by 80-90% by 2050.  That takes it out of the realm of abstraction, and very much in support of your point, makes it very concrete.

Bailo -- Just thought you'd like to know that I found your paper on encapsulation interesting.

]]> ed (and bailo)

Ed --

Perhaps the point could be made that instead of talking about reducing emissions by x percent by 2050, say 80-90%, a concrete way to achieve that is to say we need to decrease the amount of coal plant emissions by 80-90% by 2050.  That takes it out of the realm of abstraction, and very much in support of your point, makes it very concrete.

Bailo -- Just thought you'd like to know that I found your paper on encapsulation interesting.

]]> Comment #7 by Kristina & Jason Makansi http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:51:09 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/7 webcast

I'm working on getting my daughters' school to join in!

-k

Pearl Street::Jason and Kristina Makansi Read Lights Out reviews

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I'm working on getting my daughters' school to join in!

-k

Pearl Street::Jason and Kristina Makansi Read Lights Out reviews

]]> Comment #8 by stopgreenpath http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/ Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:31:39 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/watch-the-face-it-webcast/8 finally, someone gets it!

i have been shouting into a black hole, for the most part, in trying to get some serious distinctions between GREEN ENERGY POLICIES and GREENWASHED B.S. POLICIES.

thank you, ed, and the rest of the 2030 crew for finally addressing TRUE conservation, especially as it relates to building practices.  half-hearted lightbulb programs and $50 coupons for fridges have become symbols of "trying to look like we're trying without actually harming utility bottom lines," whereas your program demands legitimate change.  

thank you also for distinguishing between local, decentralized, sustainable and renewable (rooftop) power and wilderness-killing remote generation and transmission of so-called "renewables" which only benefits utilities.  ok, i think 2050 is way too long to phase out coal, but we can see how our new energy paradigm shifts things, and maybe move that number forward a decade or two (i hope)...

you appear to be one of the few organizations which "gets it," so i wish you tremendous success in getting the message to the people!

the greenest energy is that which you needn't ever produce.

]]> finally, someone gets it!

i have been shouting into a black hole, for the most part, in trying to get some serious distinctions between GREEN ENERGY POLICIES and GREENWASHED B.S. POLICIES.

thank you, ed, and the rest of the 2030 crew for finally addressing TRUE conservation, especially as it relates to building practices.  half-hearted lightbulb programs and $50 coupons for fridges have become symbols of "trying to look like we're trying without actually harming utility bottom lines," whereas your program demands legitimate change.  

thank you also for distinguishing between local, decentralized, sustainable and renewable (rooftop) power and wilderness-killing remote generation and transmission of so-called "renewables" which only benefits utilities.  ok, i think 2050 is way too long to phase out coal, but we can see how our new energy paradigm shifts things, and maybe move that number forward a decade or two (i hope)...

you appear to be one of the few organizations which "gets it," so i wish you tremendous success in getting the message to the people!

the greenest energy is that which you needn't ever produce.

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