<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Netroots Nation pledges to cut footprint ... in 2009]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by JMG http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:05:35 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/1 On agenda for '09: climate chaos

Why continue?

Grace is knowing when to get offstage.

Why continue?  Why would supposedly avant-garde people travel cumulative millions of miles, consume vast quantities of resources, and spew even vaster quantities of greenhouse gases that will remain in the atmosphere for centuries?

Wouldn't the NETroots be cooler if they led the way to using the NET as a viable meeting space?  With so much cool and chic, surely there's a few rooters who could imagine surmounting the barriers of distance and using the technology to create meaningful sessions without the eco-damages.

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Why continue?

Grace is knowing when to get offstage.

Why continue?  Why would supposedly avant-garde people travel cumulative millions of miles, consume vast quantities of resources, and spew even vaster quantities of greenhouse gases that will remain in the atmosphere for centuries?

Wouldn't the NETroots be cooler if they led the way to using the NET as a viable meeting space?  With so much cool and chic, surely there's a few rooters who could imagine surmounting the barriers of distance and using the technology to create meaningful sessions without the eco-damages.

The 5% Project

]]> Comment #2 by DorotheeRH http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:14:12 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/2 Box Lunches?

I totally agree and was surprised (probably more than I should have been) by how un-green Netroots '08 actually was. What was the deal with everyone throwing out their food, cardboard, plastic and paper box-lunch leftovers in the trash? Those items could definitely have been composted and recycled. One lunch box in the trash x 2,000 = a lot of waste.

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I totally agree and was surprised (probably more than I should have been) by how un-green Netroots '08 actually was. What was the deal with everyone throwing out their food, cardboard, plastic and paper box-lunch leftovers in the trash? Those items could definitely have been composted and recycled. One lunch box in the trash x 2,000 = a lot of waste.

]]> Comment #3 by David Roberts http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:31:39 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/3 And there were no vegetarian options!

I really couldn't believe that. These are fruity liberals for chrissake!

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I really couldn't believe that. These are fruity liberals for chrissake!

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]]> Comment #4 by TheGreenMiles http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:29:16 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/4 Here we go again

JMG, where does that line of argument stop? Am I allowed to take a trip home for Christmas to visit my family? Am I allowed to drive to Old Town Alexandria because it's twice as fast to drive there than Metro (three times on weekends)? Am I allowed to drink this beer because it came in a bottle and was trucked in from Michigan?

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JMG, where does that line of argument stop? Am I allowed to take a trip home for Christmas to visit my family? Am I allowed to drive to Old Town Alexandria because it's twice as fast to drive there than Metro (three times on weekends)? Am I allowed to drink this beer because it came in a bottle and was trucked in from Michigan?

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]]> Comment #5 by JMG http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:49:01 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/5 Where does denial stop?

Use your own best judgment, TGM.  If in doubt, ask yourself the questions for choosing a course of action ethically:  

? What if everyone did what I propose to do?

? Am I creating the person I want to be if I do what I propose to do?

? Would I be proud to have everyone know I do what I am proposing to do?

? Does what I'm proposing to do cause unnecessary suffering?

Get your head out of "Oh poor me, I'm so abused" just because you have to think about the consequences of your actions a little.  The world isn't empty, resources are finite, and many people are already living while clinging perilously close to the edge; let's try not to feel all put out if we have to watch where we step so we don't tread on their fingers.  Give thanks that you are lucky enough to have such problems.

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]]> Where does denial stop?

Use your own best judgment, TGM.  If in doubt, ask yourself the questions for choosing a course of action ethically:  

? What if everyone did what I propose to do?

? Am I creating the person I want to be if I do what I propose to do?

? Would I be proud to have everyone know I do what I am proposing to do?

? Does what I'm proposing to do cause unnecessary suffering?

Get your head out of "Oh poor me, I'm so abused" just because you have to think about the consequences of your actions a little.  The world isn't empty, resources are finite, and many people are already living while clinging perilously close to the edge; let's try not to feel all put out if we have to watch where we step so we don't tread on their fingers.  Give thanks that you are lucky enough to have such problems.

The 5% Project

]]> Comment #6 by paulzeel http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:15:05 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/wait-till-next-year/6 shirts

For the record, I think the shirts from ONE were among the least likely of the 5 lbs of paper and plastic in the reg bags to be thrown out by attendees. And having worked in the expo room I can tell you that there was traffic to ONE's booth all conference long of people exchanging shirts. And people were wearing them.

Personally, I threw out everything except my ONE shirt, Mother Jones magazine, and ACLU constitution. And there was a lot more in that bag and a ton of stuff placed at every seat at the keynotes.

Regardless, yes, point taken - the conference as a whole could have been a heck of a lot more green. Even a couple of recycling bins in the big keynote room would have gone a long way.

That all said, I do think people meeting in person to organize once a year is important. Let's all help   the Netroots minimal staff and volunteers be more green in '09 rather than complain about it after it's over again.

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For the record, I think the shirts from ONE were among the least likely of the 5 lbs of paper and plastic in the reg bags to be thrown out by attendees. And having worked in the expo room I can tell you that there was traffic to ONE's booth all conference long of people exchanging shirts. And people were wearing them.

Personally, I threw out everything except my ONE shirt, Mother Jones magazine, and ACLU constitution. And there was a lot more in that bag and a ton of stuff placed at every seat at the keynotes.

Regardless, yes, point taken - the conference as a whole could have been a heck of a lot more green. Even a couple of recycling bins in the big keynote room would have gone a long way.

That all said, I do think people meeting in person to organize once a year is important. Let's all help   the Netroots minimal staff and volunteers be more green in '09 rather than complain about it after it's over again.

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