If not for the eventual cooling of the Earth's climate, evolution would never have produced the human being. The activities of man can indeed be attributed to the changes in the climate.

Just as the fate of our children can be attributed to the actions of our leaders.

If they see no problem,
they will seek no solution,
and the changing climate
will force evolution.

a liberal in redsville

Can anyone explain why Biden believes that the US and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon.

From the debate:
Biden:
"When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon"

Did he just smoke one too many joints?  Is he having flash backs? Is he living in his own imaginary universe? It this a little like his explanation of graduating near the top of his class when he actually graduated near the bottom.  Or is this more like the plagiarism that he used to get through school?

Personally, it think the man has long ago lost touch with reality.

"Winds are Dominant Cause of Greenland and West Antarctic Ice Sheet Losses
Two new studies summarised in a news article in Science magazine point to wind-induced circulation changes in the ocean as the dominant cause of the recent ice losses through the glaciers draining both the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets, not `global warming.'

The two stuides referred to are:

`Acceleration of Jakobshavn Isbræ triggered by warm subsurface ocean waters' by Holland et al, published in Nature Geoscience.

The Abstract states:

Observations over the past decades show a rapid acceleration of several outlet glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica1. One of the largest changes is a sudden switch of Jakobshavn Isbræ, a large outlet glacier feeding a deep-ocean fjord on Greenland's west coast, from slow thickening to rapid thinning2 in 1997, associated with a doubling in glacier velocity3. Suggested explanations for the speed-up of Jakobshavn Isbræ include increased lubrication of the ice-bedrock interface as more meltwater has drained to the glacier bed during recent warmer summers4 and weakening and break-up of the floating ice tongue that buttressed the glacier5. Here we present hydrographic data that show a sudden increase in subsurface ocean temperature in 1997 along the entire west coast of Greenland, suggesting that the changes in Jakobshavn Isbræ were instead triggered by the arrival of relatively warm water originating from the Irminger Sea near Iceland. We trace these oceanic changes back to changes in the atmospheric circulation in the North Atlantic region. We conclude that the prediction of future rapid dynamic responses of other outlet glaciers to climate change will require an improved understanding of the effect of changes in regional ocean and atmosphere circulation on the delivery of warm subsurface waters to the periphery of the ice sheets.

And:

`Modelling Circumpolar Deep Water intrusions on the Amundsen Sea continental shelf, Antarctica' by Thoma et al, published in GRL.

The Abstract states:

Results are presented from an isopycnic coordinate model of ocean circulation in the Amundsen Sea, focusing on the delivery of Circumpolar Deep Water (CDW) to the inner continental shelf around Pine Island Bay. The warmest waters to reach this region are channeled through a submarine trough, accessed via bathymetric irregularities along the shelf break. Temporal variability in the influx of CDW is related to regional wind forcing. Easterly winds over the shelf edge change to westerlies when the Amundsen Sea Low migrates west and south in winter/spring. This drives seasonal on-shelf flow, while inter-annual changes in the wind forcing lead to inflow variability on a decadal timescale. A modelled period of warming following low CDW influx in the late 1980's and early 1990's coincides with a period of observed thinning and acceleration of Pine Island Glacier. "

we have one candidate (Palin) who doesn't buy into all the BS and hype.

I think that is your job (avatar of the BS and hype gods). You people are so full of yourselves and full of something else. Thank God for Sarah Palin.

"When historical wind patterns change"

There are no historical patterns.  Wind patterns are like AMO PDO and ENSO.  They change from time to time regarless of CO2.

"Of course since copulation seems to be her families abstinence program I'm not sure this is a challenge for her."

Sorry that you aren't getting any Pangolin.  But that's no reason to be jealous of those who do.  By the way, what is your position on Palestinians having 8 children per woman?

Speaking of copulation, I figured out how we can solve our financial crisis.  Since it was people like Barney Frank that caused this crisis by pushing subprime loans and by preventing the republicans from regulating Fanny and Freddy, I think that he should contribute to solving the problem.  I say that we let Barney reopen the male prostitution ring that he was running out of his house.  Not only do we let him open that again, but we let him have a national franchise of male prostitution rings.  He could call it Barney's Blow Jobs.  The only catch is that Barney would have to contribute all of the profits back to pay off the 700 billion bill that he has stuck taxpayers with.  Of course Barney wouldn't make any money, but I'm sure that he would be anxious to be of service.

"It is nonsensical to be for oil drilling and concerned about climate change."

It's only nonsensical if your ability for playing chess is restricted to one move ahead.

First, let's look at what she is acknowledging.  She believes that we have had global warming.  But the fact is that we have only warmed .8C in 157 years.  She also believes that man is responsible for some, but not all of that.  This is pretty much the position of most scientists.  None attribute all of that .8C to mankind.  So the magnitude that we are dealing with is some unknown fraction of .8C to this point.  Hardly a scenario for alarm.

Second, even if we do acknowledge some contribution by mankind, what is the solution.  We know that Palin supports nuclear.  Something that the left wing loonies violently oppose.  So you could also ask the loonies, how can you oppose CO2 when you also oppose a power source the puts out no CO2.  So even if Palin wants to reduce CO2, she realizes that in the short term we are going to need fossil fuels.  People are not suddenly going to throw away the tens of thousands in investments in fossil fuel transportation that they already have just to make the eco nuts happy.  There is going to have to be a transition period.  During that transition period we should not be sending 700 billion a year out of the US to pay for our fossil energy.  We should be getting that energy here in the US.  Our economy depends on it.

So you see, Palin's position makes 100% perfect sense.  It's just that you eco fascists are to dense to think beyond the simplest and most ignorant level.  That's why you want a moron like Biden, who thinks that the US and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, to be your vice president.

"saluki, first you support drilling for oil, then you bait-and-switch to talking about nuclear energy,"

Once again I have to explain things for a simple minded leftist.  I support drilling for oil, but I also realize that it is a limited source of fuel.  It will probably be much longer than most eco cultists think, but eventually we would run out of fossile fuel.  I believe that the warming effect of CO2 is small, but not noexistent.  So I want to develop nuclear plants at a steady unhurried pace.  If we can be getting most of our energy from nuclear 50 years from now, that would be fine with me.  But we should start a program now.  Until that transition is complete, we will need oil.  And it should be American oil.  Our economy cannot afford to send 700 billion a year to other countries.

This is fairly close to what Palin wants to do.  You see, the contradictions that you eco cultists always seem to come up with are simply caused by your inability to think in any but the most basic and single track methods.