<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for State illegally approves new coal-fired power plant]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by DarthPetrol http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/ Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:04:10 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/1 Nonsense

There is no "law" controlling CO2.

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There is no "law" controlling CO2.

]]> Comment #2 by sindark http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/ Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:07:10 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/2 Legalities

DarthPetrol,

No, but there are general legal obligations not to despoil the commons. Massachusetts vs. EPA and other legal judgements have affirmed that those general obligations apply to greenhouse gasses.

Obligations to refrain from polluting in ways that harm other states also exist under international law.

a sibilant intake of breath

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DarthPetrol,

No, but there are general legal obligations not to despoil the commons. Massachusetts vs. EPA and other legal judgements have affirmed that those general obligations apply to greenhouse gasses.

Obligations to refrain from polluting in ways that harm other states also exist under international law.

a sibilant intake of breath

]]> Comment #3 by DarthPetrol http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/ Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:21:31 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/3 Then stop breathing

If CO2 is a pollutant then so is water. If such decisions hold then you could be required to get a permit to breath.

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If CO2 is a pollutant then so is water. If such decisions hold then you could be required to get a permit to breath.

]]> Comment #4 by Millstone http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/ Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:26:38 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/4 That has got to sting.

The argument about electricity prices is suspect in my opinion. It appears that rates are going to be increasing nationwide for the forseeable future; however, I couldn't access the reference for those claims so I'm not certain of its quality.

Although if the alternative was to burn more natural gas then my suspicion would be that rates would increase even further and lead to even more jobs lost.

I was also amused by their prediction of commercial carbon and storage by 2012, only the most diehard CCS optimist would believe that now. 2020 is the number I hear getting kicked around more often, and even that is given the optimistic caveat.

I don't think this plant is a great idea but it isn't clear what the alternatives were and the opposition didn't seem to be interested (able to?)in providing them.

]]> That has got to sting.

The argument about electricity prices is suspect in my opinion. It appears that rates are going to be increasing nationwide for the forseeable future; however, I couldn't access the reference for those claims so I'm not certain of its quality.

Although if the alternative was to burn more natural gas then my suspicion would be that rates would increase even further and lead to even more jobs lost.

I was also amused by their prediction of commercial carbon and storage by 2012, only the most diehard CCS optimist would believe that now. 2020 is the number I hear getting kicked around more often, and even that is given the optimistic caveat.

I don't think this plant is a great idea but it isn't clear what the alternatives were and the opposition didn't seem to be interested (able to?)in providing them.

]]> Comment #5 by sindark http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/ Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:36:44 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/5 Scale

DarthPetrol,

It is faulty to argue that emitting small quantities of CO2 (by breathing) is legally equivalent to emitting millions of tonnes of CO2 (by burning coal).

The application of law always has to balance equity with economic efficiency. Both of those principles strongly support the restriction or abolishment of coal-fired electricity.

a sibilant intake of breath

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DarthPetrol,

It is faulty to argue that emitting small quantities of CO2 (by breathing) is legally equivalent to emitting millions of tonnes of CO2 (by burning coal).

The application of law always has to balance equity with economic efficiency. Both of those principles strongly support the restriction or abolishment of coal-fired electricity.

a sibilant intake of breath

]]> Comment #6 by tanu http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/ Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:36:42 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/virginia-is-for-coal-lovers/6 Clean coal=False hope

The entire idea of  "clean coal" lies mainly on the ability to capture and store the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide that is produced by coal fired electrical generation plants. But the truth is burying carbon dioxide is a false hope (http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/new-greenpeace-report- ...).
Unfortunately, the major problem is that coal companies try hard to prove that they are working on this problem where as in reality doing nothing measurable to begin reducing these emissions. For more information on the feasibility of the Virginia plant please read (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/27/03150/6704/393/54 ...)
For more information on  "Clean coal" please read http://www.coal-is-dirty.com/



]]> Clean coal=False hope

The entire idea of  "clean coal" lies mainly on the ability to capture and store the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide that is produced by coal fired electrical generation plants. But the truth is burying carbon dioxide is a false hope (http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/new-greenpeace-report- ...).
Unfortunately, the major problem is that coal companies try hard to prove that they are working on this problem where as in reality doing nothing measurable to begin reducing these emissions. For more information on the feasibility of the Virginia plant please read (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/27/03150/6704/393/54 ...)
For more information on  "Clean coal" please read http://www.coal-is-dirty.com/



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