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            <title>Comment #1 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:26:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I look at it as:</strong></p><p>I look at is as:</p><p>


Every step up the foodchain maintains only 10% (ish) of the energy. &nbsp;Meat requires 10x more vegetables to make. <br>
Eating vegetables makes you healthier</p><p>


That said, am I a vegetarian? &nbsp;No.<br>
But I eat a lot of vegetables.</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>I look at it as:</strong></p><p>I look at is as:</p><p>


Every step up the foodchain maintains only 10% (ish) of the energy. &nbsp;Meat requires 10x more vegetables to make. <br>
Eating vegetables makes you healthier</p><p>


That said, am I a vegetarian? &nbsp;No.<br>
But I eat a lot of vegetables.</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:25:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Here's A Real Question<p><br>
Would a big fat ugly guy like Doug ever get that hot a wife?<p>
Also..."Heffman" -- that guy has to be Italian. &nbsp;C'mon!

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				<p><strong>Here's A Real Question<p><br>
Would a big fat ugly guy like Doug ever get that hot a wife?<p>
Also..."Heffman" -- that guy has to be Italian. &nbsp;C'mon!

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            <title>Comment #3 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:36:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Have to admit, I love that show<p>If he doesn't lose some weight pretty soon though he is going to join John Candy and Chris Farley wherever they are. As long as all stereotypes get equal turn in the hopper, rednecks, environmentalists, lawyers, economists, nerds, I'm OK.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Have to admit, I love that show<p>If he doesn't lose some weight pretty soon though he is going to join John Candy and Chris Farley wherever they are. As long as all stereotypes get equal turn in the hopper, rednecks, environmentalists, lawyers, economists, nerds, I'm OK.

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            <title>Comment #4 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:57:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>anti-liberal stereotypes</strong></p><p>Snobbery is certainly always behavior that should be condemned. &nbsp;Those snobs who affect to be social or political liberals are really just Lumpen-liberals. &nbsp;And it is not reverse-snobbery to call them that, seeing that so many true liberals are hard-working, sincere and good-hearted, and do not deserve to be mocked and mischaracterized.</p><p>
On the other hand, the regular audience of "King of Queens" (a show I have never seen) perhaps is already thoughtlessly disposed to accept that a delight in intellectual pleasures, and vegetarianism, amount to unacceptable and un-American snobbery, pure and simple.</p><p>
That would be a pity. &nbsp;Can people really be so uncritically stupid?</p><p>
By the way, do "liberal" husbands really force their wives to wear shapeless dresses made from hemp? &nbsp;I have no experience of that whatsoever. &nbsp;Sounds like a reference to the "dirty hippie" bogey-man.</p><p>
At least drinking fine wine and listening to chamber music was not included in Doug's decadence.</p><p>
And one wonders if, during his brief vegetarian/intellectual/liberal enlightenment, he could have managed such a clue as, "seven-letter word for Ukrainian river." &nbsp;I think there is something fetching, actually, that Doug's intellectualism only got as far as "Volga."</p><p>
So anyway, what happened to the chicken whom Doug rescued and befriended? &nbsp;Don't tell me that Doug returned it to the Chinese restaurant?!

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				<p><strong>anti-liberal stereotypes</strong></p><p>Snobbery is certainly always behavior that should be condemned. &nbsp;Those snobs who affect to be social or political liberals are really just Lumpen-liberals. &nbsp;And it is not reverse-snobbery to call them that, seeing that so many true liberals are hard-working, sincere and good-hearted, and do not deserve to be mocked and mischaracterized.</p><p>
On the other hand, the regular audience of "King of Queens" (a show I have never seen) perhaps is already thoughtlessly disposed to accept that a delight in intellectual pleasures, and vegetarianism, amount to unacceptable and un-American snobbery, pure and simple.</p><p>
That would be a pity. &nbsp;Can people really be so uncritically stupid?</p><p>
By the way, do "liberal" husbands really force their wives to wear shapeless dresses made from hemp? &nbsp;I have no experience of that whatsoever. &nbsp;Sounds like a reference to the "dirty hippie" bogey-man.</p><p>
At least drinking fine wine and listening to chamber music was not included in Doug's decadence.</p><p>
And one wonders if, during his brief vegetarian/intellectual/liberal enlightenment, he could have managed such a clue as, "seven-letter word for Ukrainian river." &nbsp;I think there is something fetching, actually, that Doug's intellectualism only got as far as "Volga."</p><p>
So anyway, what happened to the chicken whom Doug rescued and befriended? &nbsp;Don't tell me that Doug returned it to the Chinese restaurant?!

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Enough is enough!
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            <title>Comment #5 by RICARIZA</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:59:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Juan Valdez is not an actor<p>Just to clarify, Juan Valdez was born as a marketing campaign in the 60s-70's and at the beginning used an actor, but it lasted a few years only. Since then Juan Valdez persona has been a real coffee grower. The Juan Valdez you know retired a few months ago after 20 years and the new one is actually 100% coffee grower and it took 4 years to be chosen within 400 candidates.<p>
More information and images at:<p>
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				<p><strong>Juan Valdez is not an actor<p>Just to clarify, Juan Valdez was born as a marketing campaign in the 60s-70's and at the beginning used an actor, but it lasted a few years only. Since then Juan Valdez persona has been a real coffee grower. The Juan Valdez you know retired a few months ago after 20 years and the new one is actually 100% coffee grower and it took 4 years to be chosen within 400 candidates.<p>
More information and images at:<p>
<a href="http://www.juanvaldez.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.juanvaldez.com </a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Sven Cahling</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:44:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Positive take<p>DawnWatch has a more positive take on the show here: <a href="http://www.dawnwatch.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/dw1000000dawnwat/20070417211228" rel="nofollow">http://www.dawnwatch.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/dw ...</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Positive take<p>DawnWatch has a more positive take on the show here: <a href="http://www.dawnwatch.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/dw1000000dawnwat/20070417211228" rel="nofollow">http://www.dawnwatch.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/dw ...</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:25:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>animals on TV</strong></p><p>Thanks, Sven, for directing me to that excellent website, which I had not known about.</p><p>
You are right, Dawn's description of the episode is much more encouraging than Sarah's. &nbsp;I am delighted to know that the chicken ended up in decent circumstances.

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				<p><strong>animals on TV</strong></p><p>Thanks, Sven, for directing me to that excellent website, which I had not known about.</p><p>
You are right, Dawn's description of the episode is much more encouraging than Sarah's. &nbsp;I am delighted to know that the chicken ended up in decent circumstances.

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            <title>Comment #8 by jetflash</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:28:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>That my story and I'm sticking to it<p>Caniscandida. Here's a </p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>That my story and I'm sticking to it<p>Caniscandida. Here's a </p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by spaceshaper</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:49:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Jerkiness</strong></p><p>I have long been interested in sitcoms as both generators and reflectors of important social memes. Can we imagine the civil rights movement without "All In The Family"? I've seen this show from time to time though not this hparticular episode, so I have to rely on Sara's and Dawn's descriptions for the unpacking. My general impression has been that Doug's character is built around just this style of taking random obsessions to comic extremes. Doug presents a generally obnoxious personality with just enough endearing qualities to make his relationships with the other characters (marginally) plausible, so that those relationships have the dramatic value of being comfortingly stable at the same time as they are constantly under the gun. This of course is a stock-in-trade of sitcom scenarios - Frazier, Seinfeld, Old Christine, Hank Hill .... </p><p>
The takeaway from this particular vignette would seem to be not "don't be a vegan" but rather "don't be jerk". At the same time some serious points appear to have been made concerning unpleasant truths about our animal-based diet and the frailty of our ethical convictions when we run up against the juggernaut of commercial advertising. For this I'm prepared to be quite appreciative.

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				<p><strong>Jerkiness</strong></p><p>I have long been interested in sitcoms as both generators and reflectors of important social memes. Can we imagine the civil rights movement without "All In The Family"? I've seen this show from time to time though not this hparticular episode, so I have to rely on Sara's and Dawn's descriptions for the unpacking. My general impression has been that Doug's character is built around just this style of taking random obsessions to comic extremes. Doug presents a generally obnoxious personality with just enough endearing qualities to make his relationships with the other characters (marginally) plausible, so that those relationships have the dramatic value of being comfortingly stable at the same time as they are constantly under the gun. This of course is a stock-in-trade of sitcom scenarios - Frazier, Seinfeld, Old Christine, Hank Hill .... </p><p>
The takeaway from this particular vignette would seem to be not "don't be a vegan" but rather "don't be jerk". At the same time some serious points appear to have been made concerning unpleasant truths about our animal-based diet and the frailty of our ethical convictions when we run up against the juggernaut of commercial advertising. For this I'm prepared to be quite appreciative.

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            <title>Comment #10 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:03:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>poor ol' badger<p>Thanks for the story, Jetflash. &nbsp;One needs a good bit more background than I have, to be able to understand it in every detail. &nbsp;But it is clear enough, I guess, and the photographs are even clearer.<p>
That badger sure did look dusty, hot and dry. &nbsp;And that place looked like the floor of one of the circles of Hell.<p>
I do not know much about badgers, which belong to the Mustelidae, the weasel family, along with the true weasels (including stoats and ermines), ferrets, otters, minks, martens, fishers, wolverines and skunks (though some naturalists put skunks in a family of their own). &nbsp;Badgers look small, slow and cute, with very pretty black, gray and white coloring (which you can actually see when they are not so dusty). &nbsp;But in fact they are very tough critters, not at all disposed to back away from a fight; with their teeth and long claws, they can do serious damage to dogs and people.<p>
It would be nice, in the case of your badger, if that toughness extends to being able to endure drought and poor-quality water. &nbsp;It is possible that it just wanted to soak for a bit, to cool itself off, in that rut full of muddy water, and so did not drink deeply.<p>
You were wise not to try to pick it up and move it. &nbsp;Probably you did the best thing you could, which was to talk to the game warden.<p>
For future reference, there are people scattered around the country who specialize in rescuing wild animals. &nbsp;One organization that can hopefully put you in contact with somebody near you is Best Friends, who run a large shelter for all kinds of animals in trouble, domestic and wild, in Kanab, Utah, near Zion National Park:<p>
<a href="http://bestfriends.org/" rel="nofollow">http://bestfriends.org/<p>
They organized a goodly troop of volunteers who rescued many pets in New Orleans, following Hurricane Katrina.<p>
Also, there is the Humane Society of the United States, an organization that I think very highly of. &nbsp;Here is a page from their site, mostly about what you can do if you find an orphaned baby animal, but which has good general advice if you come upon any wild animal in trouble:<p>
<a href="http://hsus.org/wildlife/urban_wildlife_our_wild_neighbors/injured_orphaned_wildlife.html" rel="nofollow">http://hsus.org/wildlife/urban_wildlife_our_wild_neighbor ...<p>
What I would do if I were you is observe if animals, of any kind, are getting sick or dying, on account of the pollution of the water sources which you specialize in studying. &nbsp;Ask the game warden about that, and anyone else with a good eye who goes walking around in those parts. &nbsp;And if you see a destructive pattern develop, then it is time to contact the major wildlife organizations, e.g. HSUS, Audubon, National Wildlife Federation, Defenders of Wildlife, and let them know about the environmental problem in Oklahoma.<p>
As it is, I think I may send the story that you wrote for me to HSUS and Best Friends, because they would be very interested in your photographs of the badger. &nbsp;Not necessarily interested enough to do anything just yet, but still, interested.<p>
If there is anything more substantial that you would like me to do, please let me know.<p>
And by the way, since you still seem to be as if walking on eggs, please do not fear any lecture or harangue or jeremiad from me. &nbsp;True, I support animal rights, and would be very happy if everyone were to adopt a vegetarian diet. &nbsp;But I am realistic enough to understand that the general acceptance of those things is still some distance away; and meanwhile, to insist that they are non-negotiable issues is not the way to persuade anybody. &nbsp;More simply, I just agree with Michael Pollan, Gristmill's Tom Philpott and other thinkers far wiser than I, that we should encourage everyone to consider where their food is coming from.<p>
And more specifically, I hope that it is more and more recognized, that the greatest single source of animal suffering in our country is the institution known as the "concentrated animal feeding operation," or CAFO, aka factory farm. &nbsp;And as the reality of CAFOs and what they do becomes better known, I hope that increased awareness will render them intolerable.<p>
But I certainly do not hold it against anybody who is unprepared to leap at once into vegetarianism. &nbsp;These things take time.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>poor ol' badger<p>Thanks for the story, Jetflash. &nbsp;One needs a good bit more background than I have, to be able to understand it in every detail. &nbsp;But it is clear enough, I guess, and the photographs are even clearer.<p>
That badger sure did look dusty, hot and dry. &nbsp;And that place looked like the floor of one of the circles of Hell.<p>
I do not know much about badgers, which belong to the Mustelidae, the weasel family, along with the true weasels (including stoats and ermines), ferrets, otters, minks, martens, fishers, wolverines and skunks (though some naturalists put skunks in a family of their own). &nbsp;Badgers look small, slow and cute, with very pretty black, gray and white coloring (which you can actually see when they are not so dusty). &nbsp;But in fact they are very tough critters, not at all disposed to back away from a fight; with their teeth and long claws, they can do serious damage to dogs and people.<p>
It would be nice, in the case of your badger, if that toughness extends to being able to endure drought and poor-quality water. &nbsp;It is possible that it just wanted to soak for a bit, to cool itself off, in that rut full of muddy water, and so did not drink deeply.<p>
You were wise not to try to pick it up and move it. &nbsp;Probably you did the best thing you could, which was to talk to the game warden.<p>
For future reference, there are people scattered around the country who specialize in rescuing wild animals. &nbsp;One organization that can hopefully put you in contact with somebody near you is Best Friends, who run a large shelter for all kinds of animals in trouble, domestic and wild, in Kanab, Utah, near Zion National Park:<p>
<a href="http://bestfriends.org/" rel="nofollow">http://bestfriends.org/<p>
They organized a goodly troop of volunteers who rescued many pets in New Orleans, following Hurricane Katrina.<p>
Also, there is the Humane Society of the United States, an organization that I think very highly of. &nbsp;Here is a page from their site, mostly about what you can do if you find an orphaned baby animal, but which has good general advice if you come upon any wild animal in trouble:<p>
<a href="http://hsus.org/wildlife/urban_wildlife_our_wild_neighbors/injured_orphaned_wildlife.html" rel="nofollow">http://hsus.org/wildlife/urban_wildlife_our_wild_neighbor ...<p>
What I would do if I were you is observe if animals, of any kind, are getting sick or dying, on account of the pollution of the water sources which you specialize in studying. &nbsp;Ask the game warden about that, and anyone else with a good eye who goes walking around in those parts. &nbsp;And if you see a destructive pattern develop, then it is time to contact the major wildlife organizations, e.g. HSUS, Audubon, National Wildlife Federation, Defenders of Wildlife, and let them know about the environmental problem in Oklahoma.<p>
As it is, I think I may send the story that you wrote for me to HSUS and Best Friends, because they would be very interested in your photographs of the badger. &nbsp;Not necessarily interested enough to do anything just yet, but still, interested.<p>
If there is anything more substantial that you would like me to do, please let me know.<p>
And by the way, since you still seem to be as if walking on eggs, please do not fear any lecture or harangue or jeremiad from me. &nbsp;True, I support animal rights, and would be very happy if everyone were to adopt a vegetarian diet. &nbsp;But I am realistic enough to understand that the general acceptance of those things is still some distance away; and meanwhile, to insist that they are non-negotiable issues is not the way to persuade anybody. &nbsp;More simply, I just agree with Michael Pollan, Gristmill's Tom Philpott and other thinkers far wiser than I, that we should encourage everyone to consider where their food is coming from.<p>
And more specifically, I hope that it is more and more recognized, that the greatest single source of animal suffering in our country is the institution known as the "concentrated animal feeding operation," or CAFO, aka factory farm. &nbsp;And as the reality of CAFOs and what they do becomes better known, I hope that increased awareness will render them intolerable.<p>
But I certainly do not hold it against anybody who is unprepared to leap at once into vegetarianism. &nbsp;These things take time.

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So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
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            <title>Comment #11 by jetflash</title>
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				<p><strong>Your Wish Has Been Granted<p>What you describe certainly sound like a good plan of attack in helping small critters Caniscandida but unfortunately it will have to be a pleasant side affect later when we finish taking these criminals down. Their unconcern for animal life is certainly appalling but children are no more important to them and must have first priority. <br>
I am glad that we are friends now and I wish I had gotten father along in my Arkansas stories before I found this site as my intensions would then have been obvious to all. Time .... &nbsp;I need more time but then doesn't everyone these days? <br>
I'll try to update you guys when I get back on those stories as they are an integral part of understanding our situation as far government manipulation of the publics perception of important events.<br>
As for the vegetarian issue I fully intend to be the most devout follower of that discipline and share a meal with you very soon. As a matter of fact .... everyone that reads these words will join us in that day when the Lion lays down with the Lamb and <a href="http://bible.cc/revelation/22-2.htm" rel="nofollow">we all dine on the food prepared by God.<br>
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				<p><strong>Your Wish Has Been Granted<p>What you describe certainly sound like a good plan of attack in helping small critters Caniscandida but unfortunately it will have to be a pleasant side affect later when we finish taking these criminals down. Their unconcern for animal life is certainly appalling but children are no more important to them and must have first priority. <br>
I am glad that we are friends now and I wish I had gotten father along in my Arkansas stories before I found this site as my intensions would then have been obvious to all. Time .... &nbsp;I need more time but then doesn't everyone these days? <br>
I'll try to update you guys when I get back on those stories as they are an integral part of understanding our situation as far government manipulation of the publics perception of important events.<br>
As for the vegetarian issue I fully intend to be the most devout follower of that discipline and share a meal with you very soon. As a matter of fact .... everyone that reads these words will join us in that day when the Lion lays down with the Lamb and <a href="http://bible.cc/revelation/22-2.htm" rel="nofollow">we all dine on the food prepared by God.<br>
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            <title>Comment #12 by mcjx3</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:57:13 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I hope i'm not a jerk</strong></p><p>I happen to be vegetarian and some would probably take this article to offense but I don't. &nbsp;I thought it was funny actually.</p><p>
Treat others as you would want to be treated. &nbsp;Although I could very well be good at being a jerk towards meat eaters, I am not because I don't want people to judge me for what I eat so I try not to judge others for eating meat. &nbsp;In fact, you would be surprised at some of the "jerky" comments I get from the meat eaters. </p><p>
Just something to think about.</p>
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				<p><strong>I hope i'm not a jerk</strong></p><p>I happen to be vegetarian and some would probably take this article to offense but I don't. &nbsp;I thought it was funny actually.</p><p>
Treat others as you would want to be treated. &nbsp;Although I could very well be good at being a jerk towards meat eaters, I am not because I don't want people to judge me for what I eat so I try not to judge others for eating meat. &nbsp;In fact, you would be surprised at some of the "jerky" comments I get from the meat eaters. </p><p>
Just something to think about.</p>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:39:11 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Stigma</strong></p><p>I am a vegetarian but speak very little of it on my job. &nbsp;Sadly, there is a negative stigma attached to it that seems to generate very strong opinions in people, most of them negative.</p>
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				<p><strong>Stigma</strong></p><p>I am a vegetarian but speak very little of it on my job. &nbsp;Sadly, there is a negative stigma attached to it that seems to generate very strong opinions in people, most of them negative.</p>
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