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            <title>Comment #1 by Bart Anderson</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 04:04:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>political commitment</strong></p><p>Emily's post reminds me of the comment by the American ecologist Eugene Odum on similar proposals in the 70s: &nbsp;"Small is beautiful, but big is powerful."</p><p>
There is no contradiction at all between work on local and on national levels. &nbsp;Some of us choose to put our energy in different places, but it is important to support people who are involved in national politics.</p><p>
I feel suspicious of this call to ignore national politics. &nbsp;There is nothing that Bush &amp; Co. would like better than for there to be confusion and apathy among envrionmentalists. </p><p>
Some of the Grist bloggers seem to specialize in sidetracking political involvement and muddying the waters, in a strategy not far removed from greenwashing. &nbsp;For example, Emily points to an article that says the coming Supreme Court appointment could mean a real shift in power, but then advises against doing anything about it because she is exhausted from reading "blogospheric rantings." &nbsp; </p><p>
Emily, if you really are committed to environmentalism, could you talk about some of your political activities that have exhausted you? &nbsp;The committed people I know do not talk as you do.</p>
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				<p><strong>political commitment</strong></p><p>Emily's post reminds me of the comment by the American ecologist Eugene Odum on similar proposals in the 70s: &nbsp;"Small is beautiful, but big is powerful."</p><p>
There is no contradiction at all between work on local and on national levels. &nbsp;Some of us choose to put our energy in different places, but it is important to support people who are involved in national politics.</p><p>
I feel suspicious of this call to ignore national politics. &nbsp;There is nothing that Bush &amp; Co. would like better than for there to be confusion and apathy among envrionmentalists. </p><p>
Some of the Grist bloggers seem to specialize in sidetracking political involvement and muddying the waters, in a strategy not far removed from greenwashing. &nbsp;For example, Emily points to an article that says the coming Supreme Court appointment could mean a real shift in power, but then advises against doing anything about it because she is exhausted from reading "blogospheric rantings." &nbsp; </p><p>
Emily, if you really are committed to environmentalism, could you talk about some of your political activities that have exhausted you? &nbsp;The committed people I know do not talk as you do.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Corey McKrill</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 04:57:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>a different read<p>I don't think Emily is talking about becoming exhausted because of her environmental committments. &nbsp;I think she's expressing her reluctance to immerse herself in the inevitable political mud-slinging, dirty tricks, and self-righteous outrage on both sides that this event is going to spawn. &nbsp;I agree that "there is no contradiction at all between work on local and on national levels," but I also think that she has a good point regarding focus on local efforts. &nbsp;If everyone gets caught up in the shouting match over the Supreme Court, which I predict will reach scandal-like proportions, local issues could fall by the wayside and people may become too polarized to work effectively together. &nbsp;Don't discount the <a href="http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/06/15/little-nickels/index.html" rel="nofollow">national effects that local organizing can have.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>a different read<p>I don't think Emily is talking about becoming exhausted because of her environmental committments. &nbsp;I think she's expressing her reluctance to immerse herself in the inevitable political mud-slinging, dirty tricks, and self-righteous outrage on both sides that this event is going to spawn. &nbsp;I agree that "there is no contradiction at all between work on local and on national levels," but I also think that she has a good point regarding focus on local efforts. &nbsp;If everyone gets caught up in the shouting match over the Supreme Court, which I predict will reach scandal-like proportions, local issues could fall by the wayside and people may become too polarized to work effectively together. &nbsp;Don't discount the <a href="http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/06/15/little-nickels/index.html" rel="nofollow">national effects that local organizing can have.</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Bart Anderson</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:58:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The different parts of the elephant</strong></p><p>That sounds more reasonable, Corey.</p><p>
It's the story of the blindmen and the elephant. &nbsp;Each of us sees a particular side of the story and wants to over-generalize. &nbsp;</p><p>
I agree with you about working on the local level. Personally I'm strongly attracted to it, and I spend a lot of time with local groups. &nbsp;</p><p>
On the other hand, I respect and support the people who are willing to get involved with the nuts-and-bolts of politics. &nbsp;It is critically important -- especially now. &nbsp;If one wants to take a break or contribute in other ways, that's fine. &nbsp;</p><p>
But I think it is intellectually lazy to say that politics is messy and confusing and both sides are the same. &nbsp;Therefore one is going to retreat into a safe little hole. </p><p>
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men [and women] do nothing." -Edmund Burke &nbsp; &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>The different parts of the elephant</strong></p><p>That sounds more reasonable, Corey.</p><p>
It's the story of the blindmen and the elephant. &nbsp;Each of us sees a particular side of the story and wants to over-generalize. &nbsp;</p><p>
I agree with you about working on the local level. Personally I'm strongly attracted to it, and I spend a lot of time with local groups. &nbsp;</p><p>
On the other hand, I respect and support the people who are willing to get involved with the nuts-and-bolts of politics. &nbsp;It is critically important -- especially now. &nbsp;If one wants to take a break or contribute in other ways, that's fine. &nbsp;</p><p>
But I think it is intellectually lazy to say that politics is messy and confusing and both sides are the same. &nbsp;Therefore one is going to retreat into a safe little hole. </p><p>
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men [and women] do nothing." -Edmund Burke &nbsp; &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Emily Gertz</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:40:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>commitment and critique</strong></p><p>Corey channels me quite well, here. Thanks Corey.</p><p>
I don't have fatigue for environmentalism, bart. &nbsp;I have crisis fatigue. &nbsp;</p><p>
The near-constant air of emergency drives people away. &nbsp;A dedicated hard core of activists alone is not enough to right the wrongs, make the future better, etc. &nbsp;How does environmentalism get out of this reactive mode? &nbsp;How does it gain a broad, broad base of support that would protect the nation's environmental laws regardless of who is on the Court? &nbsp;That is what I am asking.<br>
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				<p><strong>commitment and critique</strong></p><p>Corey channels me quite well, here. Thanks Corey.</p><p>
I don't have fatigue for environmentalism, bart. &nbsp;I have crisis fatigue. &nbsp;</p><p>
The near-constant air of emergency drives people away. &nbsp;A dedicated hard core of activists alone is not enough to right the wrongs, make the future better, etc. &nbsp;How does environmentalism get out of this reactive mode? &nbsp;How does it gain a broad, broad base of support that would protect the nation's environmental laws regardless of who is on the Court? &nbsp;That is what I am asking.<br>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Bart Anderson</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:49:16 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Understood</strong></p><p>Emily writes: "I have crisis fatigue. &nbsp;The near-constant air of emergency drives people away."</p><p>
You're absolutely right. &nbsp;And I think your solution &nbsp;is right -- if you are suggesting that we connect with people around us and not pursue abstract struggles so obsessively and intensely. &nbsp;</p><p>
I remember feeling guilty during earlier years because I wasn't doing as much as some of the people I admired. &nbsp;I was involved in my own personal issues, and besides I felt uneasy around groups.</p><p>
Since then I've seen so many activists burn out, with their perfectionist attitudes and (to me) unrealistic goals. &nbsp;Also, the past few decades have been very hard for political or environmental activism. &nbsp;It sometimes feels as if one is slogging through maple syrup.</p><p>
How can one keep going over the long term? &nbsp;Some sort of religious or secular faith seems to be important. &nbsp;It helps if the theme of one's activities is congenial. &nbsp;Homegrown food, gardening and people who like plants all give me a charge and make me want to get up in the morning. &nbsp;I have a hard time getting excited about legal issues or electoral politics, so I leave that to other people. &nbsp;</p><p>
What things do other people do to prevent burnout?</p>
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				<p><strong>Understood</strong></p><p>Emily writes: "I have crisis fatigue. &nbsp;The near-constant air of emergency drives people away."</p><p>
You're absolutely right. &nbsp;And I think your solution &nbsp;is right -- if you are suggesting that we connect with people around us and not pursue abstract struggles so obsessively and intensely. &nbsp;</p><p>
I remember feeling guilty during earlier years because I wasn't doing as much as some of the people I admired. &nbsp;I was involved in my own personal issues, and besides I felt uneasy around groups.</p><p>
Since then I've seen so many activists burn out, with their perfectionist attitudes and (to me) unrealistic goals. &nbsp;Also, the past few decades have been very hard for political or environmental activism. &nbsp;It sometimes feels as if one is slogging through maple syrup.</p><p>
How can one keep going over the long term? &nbsp;Some sort of religious or secular faith seems to be important. &nbsp;It helps if the theme of one's activities is congenial. &nbsp;Homegrown food, gardening and people who like plants all give me a charge and make me want to get up in the morning. &nbsp;I have a hard time getting excited about legal issues or electoral politics, so I leave that to other people. &nbsp;</p><p>
What things do other people do to prevent burnout?</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by jdhlax</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:57:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong> Never Underestimate The Power Of A Shnook</strong></p><p>I agree that we must work on all levels, not just concentrating on the federal. &nbsp;However, Emily seems to think that the ecological crises brought about by humans over the past several hundred year -- and which get worse by the day -- are not real. &nbsp;In fact they are very real, and the current bunch of psychopaths now running the U.S., and thus the world, is quickly making things much worse.</p>
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				<p><strong> Never Underestimate The Power Of A Shnook</strong></p><p>I agree that we must work on all levels, not just concentrating on the federal. &nbsp;However, Emily seems to think that the ecological crises brought about by humans over the past several hundred year -- and which get worse by the day -- are not real. &nbsp;In fact they are very real, and the current bunch of psychopaths now running the U.S., and thus the world, is quickly making things much worse.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:31:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Check what Sarah says on this.<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/opinion/06vowell.html?hpp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/opinion/06vowell.html?hpp<p>
She mentions the supreme battle. &nbsp; </p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Check what Sarah says on this.<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/opinion/06vowell.html?hpp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/opinion/06vowell.html?hpp<p>
She mentions the supreme battle. &nbsp; </p></a></p></strong></p>
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