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            <title>Comment #1 by Wolverine</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:23:40 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Let's Get Real</strong></p><p>The people who run energy companies are some of the most evil people on Earth. &nbsp;(If you don't believe this, do some research on how the coal companies killed people trying to unionize and how the nuclear industry had people like Karen Silkwood killed.) &nbsp;Their primary concerns, by far, are making and keeping as much money and power as possible. &nbsp;So why would anyone expect them to actually want CO2 reductions, which will cause them to make less money?</p>
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				<p><strong>Let's Get Real</strong></p><p>The people who run energy companies are some of the most evil people on Earth. &nbsp;(If you don't believe this, do some research on how the coal companies killed people trying to unionize and how the nuclear industry had people like Karen Silkwood killed.) &nbsp;Their primary concerns, by far, are making and keeping as much money and power as possible. &nbsp;So why would anyone expect them to actually want CO2 reductions, which will cause them to make less money?</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by stopgreenpath</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:32:00 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>what about sierra, nrdc and CEERT?</strong></p><p>we have our own dirty little partnership in CA, where the utilities joined forces with the contractors who build "renewable energy" plants, then swept in the greenwashers in Sierra Club (national, not locals), NRDC, Concerned Scientists and others.</p><p>
Stated goal: &nbsp;reduce GHGS</p><p>
method: &nbsp;kill off millions of acres of desert wilderness owned by US citizens for gigantic, taxpayer subsidized solar/wind projects far from point of use, force people from their homes by eminent domain for lengthy transmission.</p><p>
completely ignored or shortchanged: &nbsp;meaningful conservation/serious commitment to PV on previously developed land (including rooftops at point of use), limiting utility-scale projects to brownfields and other blighted land.</p><p>
who pays: &nbsp;wilderness, ratepayers, citizens, taxpayers, former believers in Sierra Club and NRDC</p><p>
who gets paid: &nbsp;Big Energy and it's cronies</p><p>
who could get paid if it was done right, but who isn't getting paid thanks to this unholy alliance:</p><p>
ALL OF US WHO COULD HAVE CHEAP PV PANELS AND WHO COULD GET PAID CASH MONEY FOR PRODUCING RENEWABLE ENERGY, WHILE OUT ENJOYING OUR OPEN SPACES.</p><p>
is this ok with people here?</p>
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				<p><strong>what about sierra, nrdc and CEERT?</strong></p><p>we have our own dirty little partnership in CA, where the utilities joined forces with the contractors who build "renewable energy" plants, then swept in the greenwashers in Sierra Club (national, not locals), NRDC, Concerned Scientists and others.</p><p>
Stated goal: &nbsp;reduce GHGS</p><p>
method: &nbsp;kill off millions of acres of desert wilderness owned by US citizens for gigantic, taxpayer subsidized solar/wind projects far from point of use, force people from their homes by eminent domain for lengthy transmission.</p><p>
completely ignored or shortchanged: &nbsp;meaningful conservation/serious commitment to PV on previously developed land (including rooftops at point of use), limiting utility-scale projects to brownfields and other blighted land.</p><p>
who pays: &nbsp;wilderness, ratepayers, citizens, taxpayers, former believers in Sierra Club and NRDC</p><p>
who gets paid: &nbsp;Big Energy and it's cronies</p><p>
who could get paid if it was done right, but who isn't getting paid thanks to this unholy alliance:</p><p>
ALL OF US WHO COULD HAVE CHEAP PV PANELS AND WHO COULD GET PAID CASH MONEY FOR PRODUCING RENEWABLE ENERGY, WHILE OUT ENJOYING OUR OPEN SPACES.</p><p>
is this ok with people here?</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by eutopianow</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:16:47 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Sitting on Boards</strong></p><p>Can't a person or company sit on a board and be opposed to the majority position of the organization?</p>
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				<p><strong>Sitting on Boards</strong></p><p>Can't a person or company sit on a board and be opposed to the majority position of the organization?</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Dan Detroit</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:52:37 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Let's get Really Real</strong></p><p>Wolverine,<br>
You must be terrified to live in an imaginary world filled by all these &nbsp;evil people. Pity you are lost in such irrationality. Business men are certainly "in it for the money" just as you are when you go to work, assuming you do work for a living. </p><p>
When did the coal companies unionize? About 135 years ago, according to my brief research. Are those evil guys still around? I'll bet they are long dead.<br>
&nbsp; Karen Silkwood killed? She fell asleep and died in a single car crash.<br>
"..blood tests performed as part of the autopsy showed Silkwood had 0.35 milligrams of methaqualone (Quaalude) per 100 milliliters of blood at the time of her death. That amount is almost twice the recommended dosage for inducing drowsiness." Appears just as likely that she caused her own death by risky behavior.</p><p>
Yet more absurdly unfounded beliefs!</br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Let's get Really Real</strong></p><p>Wolverine,<br>
You must be terrified to live in an imaginary world filled by all these &nbsp;evil people. Pity you are lost in such irrationality. Business men are certainly "in it for the money" just as you are when you go to work, assuming you do work for a living. </p><p>
When did the coal companies unionize? About 135 years ago, according to my brief research. Are those evil guys still around? I'll bet they are long dead.<br>
&nbsp; Karen Silkwood killed? She fell asleep and died in a single car crash.<br>
"..blood tests performed as part of the autopsy showed Silkwood had 0.35 milligrams of methaqualone (Quaalude) per 100 milliliters of blood at the time of her death. That amount is almost twice the recommended dosage for inducing drowsiness." Appears just as likely that she caused her own death by risky behavior.</p><p>
Yet more absurdly unfounded beliefs!</br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Dan Detroit</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:55:35 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Sitting on Boards</strong></p><p>A reasonable comment for a change!</p><p>
A board of directors typically is a voting group, Yes, an individual director can be opposed to the majority position of the organization. </p>
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				<p><strong>Sitting on Boards</strong></p><p>A reasonable comment for a change!</p><p>
A board of directors typically is a voting group, Yes, an individual director can be opposed to the majority position of the organization. </p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by kyotousa</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:54:41 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>evolution of the nay-sayers</strong></p><p>First they denied climate change was occurring - and paid a lot of faux scientists, think-tanks, and phony citizens groups, to put out their propaganda. Then their ad men and women convinced them to acknowledge the problem - and create phony do-nothing councils and put money into developing cozy relationships with national environmental groups. Brillant!</p><p>
Well, guess what? The most recent data on global GHG emissions indicates that emissions are rising faster than the worst case scenarios modeled by the UNFCCC. We can't go on thinking that we can solve this planet threatening condition with smoke and mirrors. We must act at whatever level we are capable of, and not let ourselves become seduced by the feel-good, meaningless statements of people, companies, and organizations that have only their own misguided interests in mind.</p>
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				<p><strong>evolution of the nay-sayers</strong></p><p>First they denied climate change was occurring - and paid a lot of faux scientists, think-tanks, and phony citizens groups, to put out their propaganda. Then their ad men and women convinced them to acknowledge the problem - and create phony do-nothing councils and put money into developing cozy relationships with national environmental groups. Brillant!</p><p>
Well, guess what? The most recent data on global GHG emissions indicates that emissions are rising faster than the worst case scenarios modeled by the UNFCCC. We can't go on thinking that we can solve this planet threatening condition with smoke and mirrors. We must act at whatever level we are capable of, and not let ourselves become seduced by the feel-good, meaningless statements of people, companies, and organizations that have only their own misguided interests in mind.</p>
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