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            <title>Comment #1 by Delay And Deny</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/us-pushing-to-weaken-g8-climate-declaration/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 03:11:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Chill&quot;<p>Just received "The Chilling Stars" from King County Public Library.<p>
A must, must read for all AGWs.<p>
I guess US policymakers have been reading it and "Unstoppable Global Warming" and have come to their senses.<p>
No need to be bullied by Brie-fed Eurocrats and sore loser Al Gore...<br>


<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Chill&quot;<p>Just received "The Chilling Stars" from King County Public Library.<p>
A must, must read for all AGWs.<p>
I guess US policymakers have been reading it and "Unstoppable Global Warming" and have come to their senses.<p>
No need to be bullied by Brie-fed Eurocrats and sore loser Al Gore...<br>


<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Steven T</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/us-pushing-to-weaken-g8-climate-declaration/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 00:10:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>On foul-tempered guests</strong></p><p>Why do the right-wing commenters sound so similar in their basic rhetorical approaches? &nbsp;It's like they all went to the same propaganda-training school.</p><p>
I assume that the "professionals" are drawing from the best research money can buy, so it may be short-sighted to offer feedback. &nbsp;However, one thing I don't understand about the personally dismissive tone of many wingers (e.g., referring to Al Gore as a "sore loser") is why they think that scores any points.</p><p>
Do they think anyone who reads a left-leaning blog like Grist will somehow be swayed by rhetoric that engages in snarky personal attacks rather than sticking to the issues?</p><p>
If not, why is it worth their time to even comment?</p>
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				<p><strong>On foul-tempered guests</strong></p><p>Why do the right-wing commenters sound so similar in their basic rhetorical approaches? &nbsp;It's like they all went to the same propaganda-training school.</p><p>
I assume that the "professionals" are drawing from the best research money can buy, so it may be short-sighted to offer feedback. &nbsp;However, one thing I don't understand about the personally dismissive tone of many wingers (e.g., referring to Al Gore as a "sore loser") is why they think that scores any points.</p><p>
Do they think anyone who reads a left-leaning blog like Grist will somehow be swayed by rhetoric that engages in snarky personal attacks rather than sticking to the issues?</p><p>
If not, why is it worth their time to even comment?</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by eriqa</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/us-pushing-to-weaken-g8-climate-declaration/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 01:34:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My theory</strong></p><p>is that one of the conservative think-tank masterminds was snubbed by a French girl as a teenager, and has harbored a burning grudge against the entire country ever since. &nbsp;He has since used his propagandic powers to generalize this idiosyncratic resentment across the rightwingaverse.</p><p>
What else explains the bizarre francophobia that emerges at random moments ("brie-eating"? wtf? how is that an insult?) The meeting is being held in Germany, but let's hate on the French anyway, just cuz... um... they're there?</p><p>
Ah, petite Sophie, tu etait si jolie, mais si cruelle...</p>
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				<p><strong>My theory</strong></p><p>is that one of the conservative think-tank masterminds was snubbed by a French girl as a teenager, and has harbored a burning grudge against the entire country ever since. &nbsp;He has since used his propagandic powers to generalize this idiosyncratic resentment across the rightwingaverse.</p><p>
What else explains the bizarre francophobia that emerges at random moments ("brie-eating"? wtf? how is that an insult?) The meeting is being held in Germany, but let's hate on the French anyway, just cuz... um... they're there?</p><p>
Ah, petite Sophie, tu etait si jolie, mais si cruelle...</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by JMG</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/us-pushing-to-weaken-g8-climate-declaration/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 03:01:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Stephen T:</strong></p><p>We've been discussing this in several places, and I think the answer is that the folks you mention are attempting to disrupt the blog and drive readers away, not to persuade them of anything. &nbsp;Some have suggested moderation (letting authors delete useless comments), some insist that everyone should have to wade through all comments.</p><p>
I suggest that the disruptive comments are like graffiti on a mural---no one would suggest that you shouldn't clean graffiti off a mural because the graffito artist has the same right to express himself as the muralist. &nbsp;What I propose is that Grist offer two versions of the comment threads--a "full" thread with all comments shown just as posted, and a "selected" comments thread that lets the author of the original post block out the graffiti. &nbsp;Readers therefore have complete ability to see the mural with the graffiti if they prefer that, or to see only the comments that the original-post-author thinks advance (or at least do not disrupt) the conversation.</p><p>
This allows people to post their juvenile insults and comments about oral sex, but also allows others the option of avoiding comments like that. &nbsp;

<p>"An optimist is someone who thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.     A pessimist is someone who is afraid that the optimist is right."</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Stephen T:</strong></p><p>We've been discussing this in several places, and I think the answer is that the folks you mention are attempting to disrupt the blog and drive readers away, not to persuade them of anything. &nbsp;Some have suggested moderation (letting authors delete useless comments), some insist that everyone should have to wade through all comments.</p><p>
I suggest that the disruptive comments are like graffiti on a mural---no one would suggest that you shouldn't clean graffiti off a mural because the graffito artist has the same right to express himself as the muralist. &nbsp;What I propose is that Grist offer two versions of the comment threads--a "full" thread with all comments shown just as posted, and a "selected" comments thread that lets the author of the original post block out the graffiti. &nbsp;Readers therefore have complete ability to see the mural with the graffiti if they prefer that, or to see only the comments that the original-post-author thinks advance (or at least do not disrupt) the conversation.</p><p>
This allows people to post their juvenile insults and comments about oral sex, but also allows others the option of avoiding comments like that. &nbsp;

<p>"An optimist is someone who thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.     A pessimist is someone who is afraid that the optimist is right."</p></p>
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