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            <title>Comment #1 by AndrewEcopledge</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:44:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What about the cost of water</strong></p><p>Umbra, your response doesn't factor in the cost of water. &nbsp;Many people in my community are paying over $500/year in municipal water fees (which covers both water and sewer charges). &nbsp;If I can save 3,000-5,000 of gallons of water a year, that will help cover the cost of the more efficient machine in a few years.</p>
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				<p><strong>What about the cost of water</strong></p><p>Umbra, your response doesn't factor in the cost of water. &nbsp;Many people in my community are paying over $500/year in municipal water fees (which covers both water and sewer charges). &nbsp;If I can save 3,000-5,000 of gallons of water a year, that will help cover the cost of the more efficient machine in a few years.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by paulwhite</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:46:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>water water everywhere but not a drop to drink</strong></p><p>Beyond the savings in water and detergent one should consider what is going down the drain. &nbsp;Fire retardent clothes are a big problem. &nbsp;Wasn't there a fuss about those chemicals? &nbsp;Who allowed it? &nbsp;Who made money off of their lobbying? &nbsp;How about anti bacterial agents? &nbsp;Phosphorous in detergents? &nbsp;Myriad other chemicals go down the drain, who is watching out for the environment? &nbsp;I don't think George is, or his friends that got appointed to positions to so call monitor the industries. &nbsp;Between all the drugs and antibiotics and chemicals we eat and flush down the drain is it any wonder that we have to drink bottled water which is questionable in itself? &nbsp;PVC pipes, Chlorine, Flouride, it makes me want to move to what is left of the North Pole. &nbsp;But of course there is fallout there and I would be competing with Polar Bears that are dwindling in numbers due to the loss of their real estate. &nbsp;Find the money changers and throw them out of the temple! &nbsp;Where's whathisname when you need him/her/it?</p>
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				<p><strong>water water everywhere but not a drop to drink</strong></p><p>Beyond the savings in water and detergent one should consider what is going down the drain. &nbsp;Fire retardent clothes are a big problem. &nbsp;Wasn't there a fuss about those chemicals? &nbsp;Who allowed it? &nbsp;Who made money off of their lobbying? &nbsp;How about anti bacterial agents? &nbsp;Phosphorous in detergents? &nbsp;Myriad other chemicals go down the drain, who is watching out for the environment? &nbsp;I don't think George is, or his friends that got appointed to positions to so call monitor the industries. &nbsp;Between all the drugs and antibiotics and chemicals we eat and flush down the drain is it any wonder that we have to drink bottled water which is questionable in itself? &nbsp;PVC pipes, Chlorine, Flouride, it makes me want to move to what is left of the North Pole. &nbsp;But of course there is fallout there and I would be competing with Polar Bears that are dwindling in numbers due to the loss of their real estate. &nbsp;Find the money changers and throw them out of the temple! &nbsp;Where's whathisname when you need him/her/it?</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by jdeely</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:08:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>two more ignored items</strong></p><p>Front loaders clean clothers better...</p><p>
Clothes washed in front loaders last longer...</p>
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				<p><strong>two more ignored items</strong></p><p>Front loaders clean clothers better...</p><p>
Clothes washed in front loaders last longer...</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:06:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Check bucky Fuller's water saving inventions.<p><a href="http://amazngdrx.myblogsite.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://amazngdrx.myblogsite.com/blog<p>
Fuller had a shower that uses compressed air to energize water molecules and remove dirt with a 10th of the water. &nbsp;He noticed while traveling by boat that the sea spray powered by wind cleaned the skin without soap.<p>
Were this principle &nbsp;applied to dishwashing, clothes washing, and showering, water use would drop to a small fraction of what it now is.<p>
Water is the oil of this new century. &nbsp;<p>
Composting toilets that stop the five gallon flush is another idea Fuller incorporated in his design.<p>
Along with drip irrigation and solar cogeneration that recycles waste water, yielding clean water, organic fertilizer, solar electricity, and biofuel, water shortage and the disaster of desertification through urban water drwan from rivers like the Colorado would end.<p>
The Colorado used to feed a whole jungle delta ecosytem, home of the black jaguar, where it met the gulf. &nbsp;That is gone, to power the water waste of LA, Pheonix, Las Vegas and other southwest megaopoli. <p>
&nbsp;A region rich in solar power destroying a major ecosystem over water that could be recycled with solar cogeneration, it's another totally unecessary eco-disaster.</p></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Check bucky Fuller's water saving inventions.<p><a href="http://amazngdrx.myblogsite.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://amazngdrx.myblogsite.com/blog<p>
Fuller had a shower that uses compressed air to energize water molecules and remove dirt with a 10th of the water. &nbsp;He noticed while traveling by boat that the sea spray powered by wind cleaned the skin without soap.<p>
Were this principle &nbsp;applied to dishwashing, clothes washing, and showering, water use would drop to a small fraction of what it now is.<p>
Water is the oil of this new century. &nbsp;<p>
Composting toilets that stop the five gallon flush is another idea Fuller incorporated in his design.<p>
Along with drip irrigation and solar cogeneration that recycles waste water, yielding clean water, organic fertilizer, solar electricity, and biofuel, water shortage and the disaster of desertification through urban water drwan from rivers like the Colorado would end.<p>
The Colorado used to feed a whole jungle delta ecosytem, home of the black jaguar, where it met the gulf. &nbsp;That is gone, to power the water waste of LA, Pheonix, Las Vegas and other southwest megaopoli. <p>
&nbsp;A region rich in solar power destroying a major ecosystem over water that could be recycled with solar cogeneration, it's another totally unecessary eco-disaster.</p></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by mjgraham</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:37:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What about conservation</strong></p><p>Umbra, while you do speak factually, your comments (and those of others) are more about saving money and energy. &nbsp;Let's not forget about water conservation itself. &nbsp;Much of the country is not on municipal water but rely on wells (essentially no monetary cost except for minute amounts of electricity for the well pump). We as a nation waste far too much water. We have to get beyond cost alone when considering what products we purchase and consider the preservation of resources for ourselves, wildlife and future generations. &nbsp;Thanks.</p>
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				<p><strong>What about conservation</strong></p><p>Umbra, while you do speak factually, your comments (and those of others) are more about saving money and energy. &nbsp;Let's not forget about water conservation itself. &nbsp;Much of the country is not on municipal water but rely on wells (essentially no monetary cost except for minute amounts of electricity for the well pump). We as a nation waste far too much water. We have to get beyond cost alone when considering what products we purchase and consider the preservation of resources for ourselves, wildlife and future generations. &nbsp;Thanks.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by sfrikken</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:52:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Reusing the washer, reducing consumption...</strong></p><p>I am sure EVERYONE knows Freecycle.org, but just in case, the old washing machine can go there. Many non-profits are on the lists, too, in addition to other needy/wanty people. It's a pretty amazing system that works. It gives me hope. Sign up if you can. </p><p>
Also, a great place to GET things, like clothing (reducing consumption and all that), baby items, pretty much anything. </p>
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				<p><strong>Reusing the washer, reducing consumption...</strong></p><p>I am sure EVERYONE knows Freecycle.org, but just in case, the old washing machine can go there. Many non-profits are on the lists, too, in addition to other needy/wanty people. It's a pretty amazing system that works. It gives me hope. Sign up if you can. </p><p>
Also, a great place to GET things, like clothing (reducing consumption and all that), baby items, pretty much anything. </p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by laurellyon</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 03:21:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Or get one of these...<p>Coincidentally, I just read this article: <a href="http://frugalliving.about.com/cs/laundry/a/030700.htm?nl=1" rel="nofollow">http://frugalliving.about.com/cs/laundry/a/030700.htm?nl=1 on wringer washers, which are apparently a big hairy-chested sort of washing machine you don't get any more except second hand. Read what the lady says about reusing water for several washes - interesting. While you're there (pop-up blocker on) check out the articles on frugal homemade detergents and so on. This site is heavy on using vinegar for cleaning, borax, washing soda and stuff - very ecological and a lot cheaper than your eco-detergents.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Or get one of these...<p>Coincidentally, I just read this article: <a href="http://frugalliving.about.com/cs/laundry/a/030700.htm?nl=1" rel="nofollow">http://frugalliving.about.com/cs/laundry/a/030700.htm?nl=1 on wringer washers, which are apparently a big hairy-chested sort of washing machine you don't get any more except second hand. Read what the lady says about reusing water for several washes - interesting. While you're there (pop-up blocker on) check out the articles on frugal homemade detergents and so on. This site is heavy on using vinegar for cleaning, borax, washing soda and stuff - very ecological and a lot cheaper than your eco-detergents.</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by mmailbox</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:14:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>further savings</strong></p><p>After I bought my front-loading, energy-saving washer, I was able to get $150 in rebates from our local gas &amp; electric utility as well as water district. That made the purchase price competitive....</p>
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				<p><strong>further savings</strong></p><p>After I bought my front-loading, energy-saving washer, I was able to get $150 in rebates from our local gas &amp; electric utility as well as water district. That made the purchase price competitive....</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by patsijean</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:31:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Get a Load of This</strong></p><p>I purchased a front-loading Sears Elite washer/dryer combo about 3 years ago during a store wide sale. &nbsp;I love them! &nbsp;I use less water (hot or cold), less detergent &amp; fabric softener (Amway), less Arm and Hammer, less OxyClean and bleach (not together) and have a shorter drying time. &nbsp;The large capacity allows me to wash my bluky comforters every time I change sheets (very good for allergies and asthma) so I no longer spend $100's of dollars a year on drycleaning bills (the fluids are pollutants) and the special settings allow me to wash many clothing items that would typically require dry-cleaning. &nbsp;I sold my not so old washer and dryer at a low price to a family that could not have afforded a &nbsp;washer and dryer otherwise even though they were not charity elegible. &nbsp;Everybody is happy.</p>
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				<p><strong>Get a Load of This</strong></p><p>I purchased a front-loading Sears Elite washer/dryer combo about 3 years ago during a store wide sale. &nbsp;I love them! &nbsp;I use less water (hot or cold), less detergent &amp; fabric softener (Amway), less Arm and Hammer, less OxyClean and bleach (not together) and have a shorter drying time. &nbsp;The large capacity allows me to wash my bluky comforters every time I change sheets (very good for allergies and asthma) so I no longer spend $100's of dollars a year on drycleaning bills (the fluids are pollutants) and the special settings allow me to wash many clothing items that would typically require dry-cleaning. &nbsp;I sold my not so old washer and dryer at a low price to a family that could not have afforded a &nbsp;washer and dryer otherwise even though they were not charity elegible. &nbsp;Everybody is happy.</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:49:51 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Actually the compressed air washer...</strong></p><p>...might not need a motor to spin the clothes, just nozzles aranged to create a vortex. &nbsp;</p><p>
Could it be cheaper to construct also?</p><p>
Come back Bucky, post on these blogs, borrow a laptop from jesus.</p>
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				<p><strong>Actually the compressed air washer...</strong></p><p>...might not need a motor to spin the clothes, just nozzles aranged to create a vortex. &nbsp;</p><p>
Could it be cheaper to construct also?</p><p>
Come back Bucky, post on these blogs, borrow a laptop from jesus.</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by ctournet</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:52:31 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Spin Dryer<p>A much less expensive way to save money is to use a spin dryer. With a spin dryer, you remove more water from the clothes than even a front loader does, but you don't have to make such a big investment- spin dryers are only about $130.<br>
<a href="http://www.laundry-alternative.com/drying.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.laundry-alternative.com/drying.htm</a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Spin Dryer<p>A much less expensive way to save money is to use a spin dryer. With a spin dryer, you remove more water from the clothes than even a front loader does, but you don't have to make such a big investment- spin dryers are only about $130.<br>
<a href="http://www.laundry-alternative.com/drying.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.laundry-alternative.com/drying.htm</a></br></p></strong></p>
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