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            <title>Comment #1 by doriannegray</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 07:37:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Summer sun showers</strong></p><p>For a quick water-conservation move this summer for those without edible gardens and those with a garden hose and a penchant for bathing outdoors: &nbsp;lay out the hose so it warms the water and then enjoy a short warm shower followed by a cool spritz-off in the yard. Choosing an eco-friendly (and preferably non-animal-tested) shampoo/soap will do little to no harm to grass and shrubs and may thrill your neighbours too!</p>
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				<p><strong>Summer sun showers</strong></p><p>For a quick water-conservation move this summer for those without edible gardens and those with a garden hose and a penchant for bathing outdoors: &nbsp;lay out the hose so it warms the water and then enjoy a short warm shower followed by a cool spritz-off in the yard. Choosing an eco-friendly (and preferably non-animal-tested) shampoo/soap will do little to no harm to grass and shrubs and may thrill your neighbours too!</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by wilee</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 08:56:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Septic Systems - the groundwater recharge method</strong></p><p>I live in an area without (thankfully) public sewers and have a septic system. &nbsp;The water goes through a settlement and leaching phase before it goes back into the groundwater. &nbsp;The result is that the groundwater stays in the same area that it comes from - my well! &nbsp;</p><p>
That doesn't mean that I don't have grey water and rainwater usage techniques in place at the house. &nbsp;I have slowly been adding water barrels for summer watering and channeling the run off into dry wells for immediate recharge. &nbsp;</p><p>
Little changes make a big difference.</p>
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				<p><strong>Septic Systems - the groundwater recharge method</strong></p><p>I live in an area without (thankfully) public sewers and have a septic system. &nbsp;The water goes through a settlement and leaching phase before it goes back into the groundwater. &nbsp;The result is that the groundwater stays in the same area that it comes from - my well! &nbsp;</p><p>
That doesn't mean that I don't have grey water and rainwater usage techniques in place at the house. &nbsp;I have slowly been adding water barrels for summer watering and channeling the run off into dry wells for immediate recharge. &nbsp;</p><p>
Little changes make a big difference.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by jdhlax</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 16:55:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Eliminate Unnecessary Toxic Products</strong></p><p>Umbra pointed out that chemicals like chlorine and boron can't included in water used for watering plants. &nbsp;Instead of telling how to separate these poisons, she should have advocated their elimination from use. &nbsp;Additionally, use the most natural soaps you can find, including shampoos and toothpastes. &nbsp;Your garden and the Earth will thank you (in their own language and on their own terms).</p>
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				<p><strong>Eliminate Unnecessary Toxic Products</strong></p><p>Umbra pointed out that chemicals like chlorine and boron can't included in water used for watering plants. &nbsp;Instead of telling how to separate these poisons, she should have advocated their elimination from use. &nbsp;Additionally, use the most natural soaps you can find, including shampoos and toothpastes. &nbsp;Your garden and the Earth will thank you (in their own language and on their own terms).</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by billvon</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 04:50:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Not hard</strong></p><p>We have a greywater system set up at our house in San Diego. &nbsp;We have a 35 gallon tank next to our washing machine; the machine drains directly into the tank then slowly drains out an external hose bib. &nbsp;We move the hose once a day.</p><p>
We also use the water from our shower. &nbsp;This is a bit more difficult since our house is built on a slab and we can't easily get to the drain. &nbsp;To get around this we use a bilge pump connected to a drain on the wall. &nbsp;Works OK, although you have to leave water in the tub until the pump empties it.</p><p>
We use biodegradable laundry soap and regular products in the shower. &nbsp;We water roses and citrus trees with it; they seem to be fine with the soapy water. &nbsp;The hose is long enough to let the water cool down before it gets to the plants. &nbsp;We don't do any filtering, and have had only one clog (in the hose outside) after 2 years of usage.</p>
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				<p><strong>Not hard</strong></p><p>We have a greywater system set up at our house in San Diego. &nbsp;We have a 35 gallon tank next to our washing machine; the machine drains directly into the tank then slowly drains out an external hose bib. &nbsp;We move the hose once a day.</p><p>
We also use the water from our shower. &nbsp;This is a bit more difficult since our house is built on a slab and we can't easily get to the drain. &nbsp;To get around this we use a bilge pump connected to a drain on the wall. &nbsp;Works OK, although you have to leave water in the tub until the pump empties it.</p><p>
We use biodegradable laundry soap and regular products in the shower. &nbsp;We water roses and citrus trees with it; they seem to be fine with the soapy water. &nbsp;The hose is long enough to let the water cool down before it gets to the plants. &nbsp;We don't do any filtering, and have had only one clog (in the hose outside) after 2 years of usage.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by bvmisa</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 11:51:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Herbal Soap</strong></p><p>Here in the Philippines, we have a great product called Victoria. It's laundry detergent, comes in powder and a bar, and is 100% herbal! You can use the wastewater for your plants. I know my plants love it. It also takes stains out really well and smells awesome.</p>
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				<p><strong>Herbal Soap</strong></p><p>Here in the Philippines, we have a great product called Victoria. It's laundry detergent, comes in powder and a bar, and is 100% herbal! You can use the wastewater for your plants. I know my plants love it. It also takes stains out really well and smells awesome.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by robi</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 07:43:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>the least you can do</strong></p><p>In our house we use buckets to catch the gallon or two of cool water that preceeds the hot water in our plumbing. &nbsp;Often this water will never leave the bathroom as it is used to flush the toilet. &nbsp;We also use a sink basin to save the rinse water from handwashing dishes. &nbsp;using these two methods we divert seven to ten gallons a day from a wasteful drain.</p>
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				<p><strong>the least you can do</strong></p><p>In our house we use buckets to catch the gallon or two of cool water that preceeds the hot water in our plumbing. &nbsp;Often this water will never leave the bathroom as it is used to flush the toilet. &nbsp;We also use a sink basin to save the rinse water from handwashing dishes. &nbsp;using these two methods we divert seven to ten gallons a day from a wasteful drain.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by jay4sea</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 23:24:51 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Please go deeper Umbra!</strong></p><p>Umbra has made an valiant effort to address the question put forth by the reader, but can we please take the question to the next level? </p><p>
In the original question posted to Umbra, the reader mentioned that some of the native plants in the grey-water path were edible. &nbsp;Hello!? &nbsp;</p><p>
The question isn't whether or not greywater can be used or whether to filter it or not...at least I don't have any questions about that. &nbsp;The real unsolved mystery is what happens to the microscopic particles that are saturated in the aquis greywater solutions. &nbsp;</p><p>
Filters can get out the big precipitate sediments, but lots of soluble stuff will still find their way to the roots of the targeted plants. &nbsp;The xylem will then transfer the water and any soluble particle (such as nutrients) from the roots up to the plant tissues.</p><p>
So...the question still remains unanswered...how does grey water affect the plant tissues of plants which may be potentially consumed? &nbsp;Would we be eating our detergent...biodegradable or not? </p><p>
p.s. I don't use grey-water for anything edible, but the issue needs to be addressed as the greywater scene is so hot in the enviro movement. </p>
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				<p><strong>Please go deeper Umbra!</strong></p><p>Umbra has made an valiant effort to address the question put forth by the reader, but can we please take the question to the next level? </p><p>
In the original question posted to Umbra, the reader mentioned that some of the native plants in the grey-water path were edible. &nbsp;Hello!? &nbsp;</p><p>
The question isn't whether or not greywater can be used or whether to filter it or not...at least I don't have any questions about that. &nbsp;The real unsolved mystery is what happens to the microscopic particles that are saturated in the aquis greywater solutions. &nbsp;</p><p>
Filters can get out the big precipitate sediments, but lots of soluble stuff will still find their way to the roots of the targeted plants. &nbsp;The xylem will then transfer the water and any soluble particle (such as nutrients) from the roots up to the plant tissues.</p><p>
So...the question still remains unanswered...how does grey water affect the plant tissues of plants which may be potentially consumed? &nbsp;Would we be eating our detergent...biodegradable or not? </p><p>
p.s. I don't use grey-water for anything edible, but the issue needs to be addressed as the greywater scene is so hot in the enviro movement. </p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Go Green Tiger</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:54:35 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Finding help</strong></p><p>my question is whether or not there are companies/plumber who will help you put one of these into a home. my College is hoping to build an Eco-house and greywater recycling was the first thing I thought of to put in it, but alas, college students have little knowledge of plumbing or time to do it ourselves.</p>
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				<p><strong>Finding help</strong></p><p>my question is whether or not there are companies/plumber who will help you put one of these into a home. my College is hoping to build an Eco-house and greywater recycling was the first thing I thought of to put in it, but alas, college students have little knowledge of plumbing or time to do it ourselves.</p>
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