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            <title>Comment #1 by Steve Bloom</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:43:28 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Quibble</strong></p><p>Joe, remember that there's a distinction between a prediction that more of X should be seen with more warming and a formal attribution of an observed increase in X to the warming. &nbsp;To be fair, Edwards seemed to be referring to the latter.</p>
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				<p><strong>Quibble</strong></p><p>Joe, remember that there's a distinction between a prediction that more of X should be seen with more warming and a formal attribution of an observed increase in X to the warming. &nbsp;To be fair, Edwards seemed to be referring to the latter.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Sam Wells</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:26:07 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Could be, but the proof?</strong></p><p>Um, NASA is probably seeing a correlation with warming temperatures and the ability to evaporate more water into the air, which can have some unpredictable results (droughts in this region, severe storms in that).</p><p>
But Joseph, tornadoes are caused by cold air colliding with warm air ... no cold air no tornadoes. The cold air came from the arctic on the jet stream as the subtropical jet pumped up warm, moist air from the equatorial Pacific, over Mexico and Texas. Before the storm it was 70-80 degrees F and the cold air was at least 30 degrees cooler. Add a meso-cumulus storm that can pump air up 50,000 feet into the air you might predict some tornadoes. &nbsp;That prediction was made 24 hours ahead of when the storm hit.</p><p>
The point is, if the entire US was cold, or warming uniformly with an early spring, the severe thunderstorms which packed four EF-4 tornadoes and many smaller twisters would not have happened. You have a point that many NWS records were set before the cold front, some dating back to the early 1950's. &nbsp;Yes, it was that warm on that calendar date in 1949, too.</p><p>
It doesn't help that NASA, NOAA, NWS, and the academics are all racing to publish papers on such issues, creating a great deal of confusion. &nbsp;-sam

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Could be, but the proof?</strong></p><p>Um, NASA is probably seeing a correlation with warming temperatures and the ability to evaporate more water into the air, which can have some unpredictable results (droughts in this region, severe storms in that).</p><p>
But Joseph, tornadoes are caused by cold air colliding with warm air ... no cold air no tornadoes. The cold air came from the arctic on the jet stream as the subtropical jet pumped up warm, moist air from the equatorial Pacific, over Mexico and Texas. Before the storm it was 70-80 degrees F and the cold air was at least 30 degrees cooler. Add a meso-cumulus storm that can pump air up 50,000 feet into the air you might predict some tornadoes. &nbsp;That prediction was made 24 hours ahead of when the storm hit.</p><p>
The point is, if the entire US was cold, or warming uniformly with an early spring, the severe thunderstorms which packed four EF-4 tornadoes and many smaller twisters would not have happened. You have a point that many NWS records were set before the cold front, some dating back to the early 1950's. &nbsp;Yes, it was that warm on that calendar date in 1949, too.</p><p>
It doesn't help that NASA, NOAA, NWS, and the academics are all racing to publish papers on such issues, creating a great deal of confusion. &nbsp;-sam

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Scarecrow57</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:36:24 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Not so fast<p>Apparently, the author here missed the report from the NOAA (those are the national weather guys), that used observed data vs predicted data to show that warmer temperatures lead to less hurricane activity.<p>
Here is the link to an article on this<p>
<a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOID-SZTN_8sq54TuQ04JiJLJRogD8UB7OI80" rel="nofollow">http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOID-SZTN_8sq54TuQ04Ji ...<p>
I must admit though, it isn't his fault. &nbsp;Seems the media didn't give this much press as it makes the dire predictions of gloom and doom fall apart. &nbsp;In fact, if one does a bit of research they will find that a warmer world is actually more beneficial.<p>
Imagine, a world where Greenland is green again and tropical ferns flourish once again in that barren land. &nbsp;Warmer is better &nbsp;:)</p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Not so fast<p>Apparently, the author here missed the report from the NOAA (those are the national weather guys), that used observed data vs predicted data to show that warmer temperatures lead to less hurricane activity.<p>
Here is the link to an article on this<p>
<a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOID-SZTN_8sq54TuQ04JiJLJRogD8UB7OI80" rel="nofollow">http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOID-SZTN_8sq54TuQ04Ji ...<p>
I must admit though, it isn't his fault. &nbsp;Seems the media didn't give this much press as it makes the dire predictions of gloom and doom fall apart. &nbsp;In fact, if one does a bit of research they will find that a warmer world is actually more beneficial.<p>
Imagine, a world where Greenland is green again and tropical ferns flourish once again in that barren land. &nbsp;Warmer is better &nbsp;:)</p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:58:23 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Chase up to 1975...<p><br>
You storm chasers need to catch up to 1975 before you claim it's yet another "trend".<p>
<a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/tornado/tornadotrend.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/tornado/tor ...<p>
Note the very prominent blue bar -- in the year 1975!!! (was that a time of global warming...or cooling..I forget).<p>
Here's the full discussion<p>
<a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornadoes.html#history" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornado ...<p>
Interesting, a "Tornado History Project":<p>
<a href="http://www.tornadohistoryproject.com/tornado.php?yr=2005&amp;mo=1&amp;day=%25&amp;st=Kansas&amp;fu=%25&amp;co=Any&amp;l=auto&amp;submit=Map&amp;ddat=on&amp;dsta=on&amp;dfuj=on&amp;dfat=on&amp;dinj=on&amp;dcou=on&amp;format=basic&amp;p=1&amp;s=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.tornadohistoryproject.com/tornado.php?yr=2005& ...</a></p></p></a></p></p></p></a></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Chase up to 1975...<p><br>
You storm chasers need to catch up to 1975 before you claim it's yet another "trend".<p>
<a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/tornado/tornadotrend.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/tornado/tor ...<p>
Note the very prominent blue bar -- in the year 1975!!! (was that a time of global warming...or cooling..I forget).<p>
Here's the full discussion<p>
<a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornadoes.html#history" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornado ...<p>
Interesting, a "Tornado History Project":<p>
<a href="http://www.tornadohistoryproject.com/tornado.php?yr=2005&amp;mo=1&amp;day=%25&amp;st=Kansas&amp;fu=%25&amp;co=Any&amp;l=auto&amp;submit=Map&amp;ddat=on&amp;dsta=on&amp;dfuj=on&amp;dfat=on&amp;dinj=on&amp;dcou=on&amp;format=basic&amp;p=1&amp;s=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.tornadohistoryproject.com/tornado.php?yr=2005& ...</a></p></p></a></p></p></p></a></p></br></p></strong></p>
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