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            <title>Comment #1 by GreenEngineer</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:39:41 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>handouts</strong></p><p>why are the industry and its Congressional lackeys focused on getting more government handouts? Is this the way competitive industries behave?</p><p>
In all fairness, you could direct exactly the same question at the solar PV or wind industries.</p><p>
I think the reality is that this is how the energy industry behaves, at least in this country. &nbsp;I can't think of a single significant aspect of the energy industry that isn't either subsidized or regulated in such a way as to protect certain players from competition.</p><p>
Needless to say, I don't think that the comparison between clean coal and PV is particularly apt, but I think that this is a comparison that will be immediately drawn by someone who isn't already on board with the idea that energy sources without externalities are better than energy sources that have externalities. &nbsp;In other words, I think that this particular rhetorical point is effective only when "preaching to the choir", which is not what you're interested in doing. &nbsp;IMO, that's a good reason to find a different rhetorical tactic.</p>
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				<p><strong>handouts</strong></p><p>why are the industry and its Congressional lackeys focused on getting more government handouts? Is this the way competitive industries behave?</p><p>
In all fairness, you could direct exactly the same question at the solar PV or wind industries.</p><p>
I think the reality is that this is how the energy industry behaves, at least in this country. &nbsp;I can't think of a single significant aspect of the energy industry that isn't either subsidized or regulated in such a way as to protect certain players from competition.</p><p>
Needless to say, I don't think that the comparison between clean coal and PV is particularly apt, but I think that this is a comparison that will be immediately drawn by someone who isn't already on board with the idea that energy sources without externalities are better than energy sources that have externalities. &nbsp;In other words, I think that this particular rhetorical point is effective only when "preaching to the choir", which is not what you're interested in doing. &nbsp;IMO, that's a good reason to find a different rhetorical tactic.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:49:21 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Well, OK,</strong></p><p>perhaps the point is not that the coal industry is busy grubbing after subsidies and tax breaks -- as you say, the same is true of every energy industry and, honestly, most industries in the U.S.</p><p>
Perhaps the more relevant point is that renewable energy is currently booming and attracting intense private investment, while government largesse is increasingly the only source of investment in new coal.</p><p>
Doesn't quite trip off the tongue ...

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				<p><strong>Well, OK,</strong></p><p>perhaps the point is not that the coal industry is busy grubbing after subsidies and tax breaks -- as you say, the same is true of every energy industry and, honestly, most industries in the U.S.</p><p>
Perhaps the more relevant point is that renewable energy is currently booming and attracting intense private investment, while government largesse is increasingly the only source of investment in new coal.</p><p>
Doesn't quite trip off the tongue ...

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            <title>Comment #3 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:51:33 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Anyone</strong></p><p>Anyone wanna place bets on whether he mentions electrifying transportation?</p><p>
(Or even higher stakes, if he doesn't mention biofuels as a primary focus of his environmental argument)</p>
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				<p><strong>Anyone</strong></p><p>Anyone wanna place bets on whether he mentions electrifying transportation?</p><p>
(Or even higher stakes, if he doesn't mention biofuels as a primary focus of his environmental argument)</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:56:03 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Yeap</strong></p><p>Heh, lets not forget the vast potential of nuclear he's bound to mention.</p><p>
All while ironically sabre rattling about why we need to attack Iran because they might constitute a nuclear program.</p><p>
_</p><p>
Also of course similiar to Coal in it's calling for government bailouts.</p>
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				<p><strong>Yeap</strong></p><p>Heh, lets not forget the vast potential of nuclear he's bound to mention.</p><p>
All while ironically sabre rattling about why we need to attack Iran because they might constitute a nuclear program.</p><p>
_</p><p>
Also of course similiar to Coal in it's calling for government bailouts.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:01:37 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A confluence of events</strong></p><p>This is a year where both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union address occur in the same week. &nbsp;And as it has been pointed out, "It is an ironic juxtaposition of events: one involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication, while the other involves a groundhog."<br>


<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>A confluence of events</strong></p><p>This is a year where both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union address occur in the same week. &nbsp;And as it has been pointed out, "It is an ironic juxtaposition of events: one involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication, while the other involves a groundhog."<br>


<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Sean Casten</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:09:37 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Ugh</strong></p><p>Why is it in the national interest to "promote increased coal utilization"? &nbsp;</p><p>
And if it is in the national interest, why bother building a big power plant around it? &nbsp;Hell, we'd use it a lot faster if we just dug it out of the ground and burned it on the spot. &nbsp;Maybe we could empty our wallets out in the fire as well in the name of economic stimuli.</p>
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				<p><strong>Ugh</strong></p><p>Why is it in the national interest to "promote increased coal utilization"? &nbsp;</p><p>
And if it is in the national interest, why bother building a big power plant around it? &nbsp;Hell, we'd use it a lot faster if we just dug it out of the ground and burned it on the spot. &nbsp;Maybe we could empty our wallets out in the fire as well in the name of economic stimuli.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Sir Oolius</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:34:36 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>like the debates...</strong></p><p>SOTU, brought to you by Americans for Balanced Energy Choices! &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>like the debates...</strong></p><p>SOTU, brought to you by Americans for Balanced Energy Choices! &nbsp;</p>
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