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            <title>Comment #1 by Karen Street</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:53:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>some of the subtleties missed<p>Interesting.<p>
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has a different take than Lovins on where nuclear power is going in the US; <a href="http://wesupportlee.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">We Support Lee says the <a href="http://wesupportlee.blogspot.com/2007/06/nrc-is-busy.html" rel="nofollow">NRC is Busy!<p>
From Dr. Dale Klein (chairman of NRC):<p>
* We've been told by industry to expect license applications for 27 new reactors in the next two years... and every day our Executive Director of Operations warns me to prepare for an even higher number. <p>
Germany has been told by International Energy Agency and Deutsche Bank that German plans to close nuclear power plants are incompatible with reducing GHG emissions. Coal plants in Britain will be replaced by nuclear. Finland is getting another nuclear power plant. South Africa is looking at nuclear power. China plans about 300 GW by mid-century. Norway is looking at building a thorium nuclear power plant (Norway has large thorium reserves). France plans to build plants.<p>
Lovins characterization of the lack of American and worldwide interest in nuclear power seems to miss some of the subtleties.<p>
I'm writing from California, where 21% of our electricity comes from coal power.<p>
<a href="http://pathsoflight.us/musing/index.php" rel="nofollow">A Musing Environment

<p>Karen Street</p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>some of the subtleties missed<p>Interesting.<p>
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has a different take than Lovins on where nuclear power is going in the US; <a href="http://wesupportlee.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">We Support Lee says the <a href="http://wesupportlee.blogspot.com/2007/06/nrc-is-busy.html" rel="nofollow">NRC is Busy!<p>
From Dr. Dale Klein (chairman of NRC):<p>
* We've been told by industry to expect license applications for 27 new reactors in the next two years... and every day our Executive Director of Operations warns me to prepare for an even higher number. <p>
Germany has been told by International Energy Agency and Deutsche Bank that German plans to close nuclear power plants are incompatible with reducing GHG emissions. Coal plants in Britain will be replaced by nuclear. Finland is getting another nuclear power plant. South Africa is looking at nuclear power. China plans about 300 GW by mid-century. Norway is looking at building a thorium nuclear power plant (Norway has large thorium reserves). France plans to build plants.<p>
Lovins characterization of the lack of American and worldwide interest in nuclear power seems to miss some of the subtleties.<p>
I'm writing from California, where 21% of our electricity comes from coal power.<p>
<a href="http://pathsoflight.us/musing/index.php" rel="nofollow">A Musing Environment

<p>Karen Street</p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:27:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Small (nukes) are beatiful<p><br>
The problem with nukes during the 1970s was not technological. &nbsp; The best technology for building them was created in the 1950s and 1960s -- these smaller, simpler nukes, such as the New England Yankee in Connecticut, lasted over 50 years and provided safe clean (and small) amounts of power. &nbsp;I know about this plant because it was (in part) built and designed an acquaintance and welll know African American inventor, <a href="http://inventors.about.com/od/blackinventors/a/black_historyB_3.htm" rel="nofollow">Dr. Alfred Bishop.<p>
But us being America, we over engineered and bloated the technology until we ended up with Three Mile Island. &nbsp; One factor may have been that the people who built and we dependent on the existing grid of coal and oil, were also building the nukes (ok, you can take your tinfoil hat off now)!<p>
France used a very simple design and used its highly centrist government to insure that the template was used in all of its nuke construction.<p>
The are some really nice innovations being done today in the new Westinghouse headquartered in Britain with passive safety systems (things like having a giant tank of water on top of the core if the thing overheats! &nbsp;Very smart!).

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				<p><strong>Small (nukes) are beatiful<p><br>
The problem with nukes during the 1970s was not technological. &nbsp; The best technology for building them was created in the 1950s and 1960s -- these smaller, simpler nukes, such as the New England Yankee in Connecticut, lasted over 50 years and provided safe clean (and small) amounts of power. &nbsp;I know about this plant because it was (in part) built and designed an acquaintance and welll know African American inventor, <a href="http://inventors.about.com/od/blackinventors/a/black_historyB_3.htm" rel="nofollow">Dr. Alfred Bishop.<p>
But us being America, we over engineered and bloated the technology until we ended up with Three Mile Island. &nbsp; One factor may have been that the people who built and we dependent on the existing grid of coal and oil, were also building the nukes (ok, you can take your tinfoil hat off now)!<p>
France used a very simple design and used its highly centrist government to insure that the template was used in all of its nuke construction.<p>
The are some really nice innovations being done today in the new Westinghouse headquartered in Britain with passive safety systems (things like having a giant tank of water on top of the core if the thing overheats! &nbsp;Very smart!).

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:59:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Disconnect now!</strong></p><p>This is where even a tiny movement to go to renewables and disconnect, boycotting power companies until they pay for renewable kwh generated by customers, could really be effective. &nbsp;Many areas only allow offsets, which can only reduce the customer's bill to zero.</p><p>
It would further panic investors.</p><p>
Then a demand to free the grid could be made, allowing renewable energy generating customers to sell their kwh to like minded consumers of renewable energy. &nbsp;One could put power into the grid to charge up your own car remotely for instance. &nbsp;Or members of renewable energy coops could transport power to one another.</p><p>
As the cost of capital goes up and up for nukes and coal plants, distributed renewable generation and storage would drop in price as mass production efficiencies took hold and home and business owners rushed to capitalize on this new source of revenue.</p><p>
Time to take the big sleep old line corporate polluters. &nbsp;You're time has almost passed.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Disconnect now!</strong></p><p>This is where even a tiny movement to go to renewables and disconnect, boycotting power companies until they pay for renewable kwh generated by customers, could really be effective. &nbsp;Many areas only allow offsets, which can only reduce the customer's bill to zero.</p><p>
It would further panic investors.</p><p>
Then a demand to free the grid could be made, allowing renewable energy generating customers to sell their kwh to like minded consumers of renewable energy. &nbsp;One could put power into the grid to charge up your own car remotely for instance. &nbsp;Or members of renewable energy coops could transport power to one another.</p><p>
As the cost of capital goes up and up for nukes and coal plants, distributed renewable generation and storage would drop in price as mass production efficiencies took hold and home and business owners rushed to capitalize on this new source of revenue.</p><p>
Time to take the big sleep old line corporate polluters. &nbsp;You're time has almost passed.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Charles Barton</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:14:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>count on amazngdrx</strong></p><p>Count on amazngdrx to live in his own world, untroubled by the realities that the rest of us face.

<p>Charles Barton</p></p>
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				<p><strong>count on amazngdrx</strong></p><p>Count on amazngdrx to live in his own world, untroubled by the realities that the rest of us face.

<p>Charles Barton</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:46:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I've spent $1.1MM in solar rd&amp;d</strong></p><p>to beat the price of burning coal in China. </p><p>
I can not touch the price of efficiency.</p><p>
Competing with the price of civilian nuclear is easy.</p>
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				<p><strong>I've spent $1.1MM in solar rd&amp;d</strong></p><p>to beat the price of burning coal in China. </p><p>
I can not touch the price of efficiency.</p><p>
Competing with the price of civilian nuclear is easy.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:23:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Hrmm<p><br>
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has a different take than Lovins on where nuclear power is going in the US<p>
Oh really?<p>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/business/12nuke.html?_r=2&amp;ref=business&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">Sole U.S. Company That Enriches Uranium Is Struggling to Stay in Business</a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Hrmm<p><br>
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has a different take than Lovins on where nuclear power is going in the US<p>
Oh really?<p>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/business/12nuke.html?_r=2&amp;ref=business&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">Sole U.S. Company That Enriches Uranium Is Struggling to Stay in Business</a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:25:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>New-Clear<p><br>
<a href="http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/Products_&amp;_Services/Nuclear_Power_Plants/new_nuclear_power_plants.shtm" rel="nofollow">http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/Products_&amp;_Service ...<p>
Catch up on the latest in nuke building from today's Westinghouse.<p>
Shed the old thinking -- Japan and France already have!

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>New-Clear<p><br>
<a href="http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/Products_&amp;_Services/Nuclear_Power_Plants/new_nuclear_power_plants.shtm" rel="nofollow">http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/Products_&amp;_Service ...<p>
Catch up on the latest in nuke building from today's Westinghouse.<p>
Shed the old thinking -- Japan and France already have!

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:28:11 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>NUCLEAR NOW<p>More information for 21st century thinking about nukes:<p>
<a href="http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/nuclearnow.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/nuclearnow.ht ...<p>
Sooner or later the world will go for nuclear energy in a big way. If this is to be done in a technologically and economically optimal way, the changes will begin soon. Indeed it was a tragedy that ignorance and fanaticism prevented the good start on nuclear energy made in the 1960s from continuing. If it had, the US would already be in compliance with the Kyoto targets for CO2 emission. Perhaps the Sierra Club has been the largest single cause of more CO2 in the atmosphere. It has had a choice of what to recommend, but the utilities really haven't had much choice of what sources of energy to use. <p>
&nbsp;This page is updated from time to time, when I notice something relevant. However, I don't scan the literature systematically and often miss items I'd cite if I noticed them. The Nuclear Energy Institute web page is up-to-date on nuclear energy projects - at least in the U.S. <br>
&nbsp;2006 March: The February Physics Today has an informative article on new nuclear power plant projects. It says "In the US and the UK, governmental preparations are under way that may lead to 15 new reactor orders by 2007." Alas, I fear 2007 is an exaggeration. The article also mentions reactor projects in France, Finland, Japan, China, India, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, and South Africa. The article has a somewhat grumpy tone, and the expert consulted is from the Union of Concerned Scientists, which was anti-nuclear in the past.

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
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				<p><strong>NUCLEAR NOW<p>More information for 21st century thinking about nukes:<p>
<a href="http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/nuclearnow.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/nuclearnow.ht ...<p>
Sooner or later the world will go for nuclear energy in a big way. If this is to be done in a technologically and economically optimal way, the changes will begin soon. Indeed it was a tragedy that ignorance and fanaticism prevented the good start on nuclear energy made in the 1960s from continuing. If it had, the US would already be in compliance with the Kyoto targets for CO2 emission. Perhaps the Sierra Club has been the largest single cause of more CO2 in the atmosphere. It has had a choice of what to recommend, but the utilities really haven't had much choice of what sources of energy to use. <p>
&nbsp;This page is updated from time to time, when I notice something relevant. However, I don't scan the literature systematically and often miss items I'd cite if I noticed them. The Nuclear Energy Institute web page is up-to-date on nuclear energy projects - at least in the U.S. <br>
&nbsp;2006 March: The February Physics Today has an informative article on new nuclear power plant projects. It says "In the US and the UK, governmental preparations are under way that may lead to 15 new reactor orders by 2007." Alas, I fear 2007 is an exaggeration. The article also mentions reactor projects in France, Finland, Japan, China, India, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, and South Africa. The article has a somewhat grumpy tone, and the expert consulted is from the Union of Concerned Scientists, which was anti-nuclear in the past.

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></br></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:32:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>This is what a New Nuke looks like<p>Join the 21st century and break the old memes.<p>
Here's the very cool A600 from Westinghouse:<p>
<a href="http://www.ap600.westinghousenuclear.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ap600.westinghousenuclear.com/<p>
The AP600 is an advanced 600 MWe nuclear power plant that uses the forces of nature and simplicity of design to enhance plant safety and operations and reduce construction costs.<p>
Also:<p>
The Westinghouse AP600 design simplifies plant systems and significant operation, inspections, maintenance, and quality assurance requirements by greatly reducing valves, pumps, piping, HVAC ducting, and other complex components. The AP600 safety systems are predominantly passive, depending on the reliable natural forces of gravity, circulation, convection, evaporation, and condensation, instead of AC power supplies and motor-driven components.<br>


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				<p><strong>This is what a New Nuke looks like<p>Join the 21st century and break the old memes.<p>
Here's the very cool A600 from Westinghouse:<p>
<a href="http://www.ap600.westinghousenuclear.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ap600.westinghousenuclear.com/<p>
The AP600 is an advanced 600 MWe nuclear power plant that uses the forces of nature and simplicity of design to enhance plant safety and operations and reduce construction costs.<p>
Also:<p>
The Westinghouse AP600 design simplifies plant systems and significant operation, inspections, maintenance, and quality assurance requirements by greatly reducing valves, pumps, piping, HVAC ducting, and other complex components. The AP600 safety systems are predominantly passive, depending on the reliable natural forces of gravity, circulation, convection, evaporation, and condensation, instead of AC power supplies and motor-driven components.<br>


<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></br></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Charles Barton</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:01:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>AP 1000</strong></p><p>John, the estimated construction costs of mass produced AP 1000 is One Billion Dollars + Financing charges. &nbsp;This actually will bring the price of the AP 1000 in at under the cost of a coal fired power plant. &nbsp;Considering that we will need the equivelent of 280 AP 1000's in new generating capacity in the next 25 years, the economies of scale in producing AP 1000's may bring the price in well under One Billion per unit. Of course before the 25 year cycle is over, Generation VI reactors will be coming on line, and they promise to be even cheaper than AP 1000s.

<p>Charles Barton</p></p>
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				<p><strong>AP 1000</strong></p><p>John, the estimated construction costs of mass produced AP 1000 is One Billion Dollars + Financing charges. &nbsp;This actually will bring the price of the AP 1000 in at under the cost of a coal fired power plant. &nbsp;Considering that we will need the equivelent of 280 AP 1000's in new generating capacity in the next 25 years, the economies of scale in producing AP 1000's may bring the price in well under One Billion per unit. Of course before the 25 year cycle is over, Generation VI reactors will be coming on line, and they promise to be even cheaper than AP 1000s.

<p>Charles Barton</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Billhook</title>
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				<p><strong>Karen - you've been had.</strong></p><p>Karen -</p><p>
I won't repeat your error of trying to speak for other countries' outlook on nuclear power,<br>
as your information is just patently wrong about my country.</p><p>
Here in the UK I haven't seen ANY public &nbsp;discussion <br>
of replacing coal power with still more nuclear fiascos, <br>
let alone any official decision to do so.</p><p>
What Blair, (who used to be anti-nuclear before getting bought),<br>
has done for the industry is a delight.</p><p>
Admittedly, when it went bust he baled it out with &#163;400Mn of taxpayers' money,<br>
but since then, as a lame duck PM he's had the hubris <br>
to try and push the replacement of old nuclear stations onto an unwilling public.</p><p>
It is now becoming crystal clear just why, in Blairs decade of power, <br>
sustainable energy has received such paltry govt. support -<br>
those energies' success will be nuclear power's demise.</p><p>
So, far from your nonsense of the UK "replacing coal with nuclear"<br>
it is looking increasingly unlikely that we shall even renew the nuclear plants we have.</p><p>
Given that their decommissioning is expected to cost over &#163;60Bn, <br>
our 60Mn population will pay over &#163;1,000 of tax per head to do so - <br>
and you really think we want more of them ?</p><p>
In reality, the global nuclear industry remains just one bad accident from global abandonment.</p><p>
It is the classic C20 titanicist folly, and it has had its day.</p><p>
I suggest you get over it.</p><p>
Regards,</p><p>
Bill</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Karen - you've been had.</strong></p><p>Karen -</p><p>
I won't repeat your error of trying to speak for other countries' outlook on nuclear power,<br>
as your information is just patently wrong about my country.</p><p>
Here in the UK I haven't seen ANY public &nbsp;discussion <br>
of replacing coal power with still more nuclear fiascos, <br>
let alone any official decision to do so.</p><p>
What Blair, (who used to be anti-nuclear before getting bought),<br>
has done for the industry is a delight.</p><p>
Admittedly, when it went bust he baled it out with &#163;400Mn of taxpayers' money,<br>
but since then, as a lame duck PM he's had the hubris <br>
to try and push the replacement of old nuclear stations onto an unwilling public.</p><p>
It is now becoming crystal clear just why, in Blairs decade of power, <br>
sustainable energy has received such paltry govt. support -<br>
those energies' success will be nuclear power's demise.</p><p>
So, far from your nonsense of the UK "replacing coal with nuclear"<br>
it is looking increasingly unlikely that we shall even renew the nuclear plants we have.</p><p>
Given that their decommissioning is expected to cost over &#163;60Bn, <br>
our 60Mn population will pay over &#163;1,000 of tax per head to do so - <br>
and you really think we want more of them ?</p><p>
In reality, the global nuclear industry remains just one bad accident from global abandonment.</p><p>
It is the classic C20 titanicist folly, and it has had its day.</p><p>
I suggest you get over it.</p><p>
Regards,</p><p>
Bill</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:00:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I've been had?<p>Well, perhaps EDF (Electricite de France) is out to deceive me, or <a href="http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/investing-and-markets/article.html?in_article_id=421018&amp;in_page_id=3" rel="nofollow">this writer.<p>
The article surprisingly says that British plans for natural gas use will help keep Putin happy:<p>
Gas-fired power stations are expected to be the dominant form of electricity generation in the future as Britain builds pipelines from the Continent and port terminals to handle liquefied natural gas shipments. As atomic reactions replace coal as a source of energy, nuclear is expected to account for 20% of Britain's power needs on a continuing basis. Hopes that renewables will be able to make up 20% of the energy mix are now reckoned to be dubious.<p>
Good about the coal, too bad about the incredible use of natural gas.<p>
How did Britain anticipate getting 20% of its energy from renewables? <p>
<a href="http://pathsoflight.us/musing/index.php" rel="nofollow">A Musing Environment

<p>Karen Street</p></a></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I've been had?<p>Well, perhaps EDF (Electricite de France) is out to deceive me, or <a href="http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/investing-and-markets/article.html?in_article_id=421018&amp;in_page_id=3" rel="nofollow">this writer.<p>
The article surprisingly says that British plans for natural gas use will help keep Putin happy:<p>
Gas-fired power stations are expected to be the dominant form of electricity generation in the future as Britain builds pipelines from the Continent and port terminals to handle liquefied natural gas shipments. As atomic reactions replace coal as a source of energy, nuclear is expected to account for 20% of Britain's power needs on a continuing basis. Hopes that renewables will be able to make up 20% of the energy mix are now reckoned to be dubious.<p>
Good about the coal, too bad about the incredible use of natural gas.<p>
How did Britain anticipate getting 20% of its energy from renewables? <p>
<a href="http://pathsoflight.us/musing/index.php" rel="nofollow">A Musing Environment

<p>Karen Street</p></a></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:27:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Yep, been had</strong></p><p>Your favorite nuclear contractors will leave you twisting in the wind. &nbsp;As they continue to break promise after promise on cost, waste disposal, and safety.</p><p>
Nuclear power is a dead end.</p><p>
Get on board the conservation and renewable distributed generation and storage juggernaut. &nbsp;It's going to be an exciting, booming ride.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Yep, been had</strong></p><p>Your favorite nuclear contractors will leave you twisting in the wind. &nbsp;As they continue to break promise after promise on cost, waste disposal, and safety.</p><p>
Nuclear power is a dead end.</p><p>
Get on board the conservation and renewable distributed generation and storage juggernaut. &nbsp;It's going to be an exciting, booming ride.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by FuriaFubar</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:17:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>nukes<p>I was actually heartened to see that China is building nukes on a grand scale...along with chasing down just about every renewable source of energy they can find. &nbsp;Of course regional goverments are building illegal coal-fired plants as fast as the central government can shut them down, just to keep the lights on. &nbsp;Too bad energy is in the hannds of the private sector in the US country. &nbsp;And it's not going to change any time soon. &nbsp;<br>
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Furia -
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				<p><strong>nukes<p>I was actually heartened to see that China is building nukes on a grand scale...along with chasing down just about every renewable source of energy they can find. &nbsp;Of course regional goverments are building illegal coal-fired plants as fast as the central government can shut them down, just to keep the lights on. &nbsp;Too bad energy is in the hannds of the private sector in the US country. &nbsp;And it's not going to change any time soon. &nbsp;<br>
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<p>All the Best,
Furia -
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