<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for This Sounds Like a Job For ... Nobody]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by jeffrossini http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/ Tue, 22 May 2007 08:03:20 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/1 so instead we...

I am just curious: if Americans work fewer hours, what do we think they will do instead?  I am all for a shorter work week, but if we replace one round-trip to and from work with 4 round-trips to and from Wal-Mart (eek!), the grocery store, soccer practice, etc., then won't we simply be shifting the problem, not fixing it?

The nature of this topic is not that Americans work too much, but that we believe we "have" to work so much in order to pay for our consumer behaviors.  This is a very real, relevant, and intriguing topic, but I think the consumer culture of America was downplayed just a tad.  Perhaps this is a good starting point for a 10 pager in the NY Times...

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I am just curious: if Americans work fewer hours, what do we think they will do instead?  I am all for a shorter work week, but if we replace one round-trip to and from work with 4 round-trips to and from Wal-Mart (eek!), the grocery store, soccer practice, etc., then won't we simply be shifting the problem, not fixing it?

The nature of this topic is not that Americans work too much, but that we believe we "have" to work so much in order to pay for our consumer behaviors.  This is a very real, relevant, and intriguing topic, but I think the consumer culture of America was downplayed just a tad.  Perhaps this is a good starting point for a 10 pager in the NY Times...

]]> Comment #2 by pete0762 http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/ Tue, 22 May 2007 21:01:50 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/2 International perspective

Just thought to make a comment on a matter of fact. According to information I have seen Australians now work the largest number of hours per year in the world (ahead of USA and Japan) with 1855 hours per year (see http://www.tai.org.au/documents/downloads/NL41.pdf for more). So it wears us down and out all around the world.

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Just thought to make a comment on a matter of fact. According to information I have seen Australians now work the largest number of hours per year in the world (ahead of USA and Japan) with 1855 hours per year (see http://www.tai.org.au/documents/downloads/NL41.pdf for more). So it wears us down and out all around the world.

]]> Comment #3 by cassia http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/ Tue, 29 May 2007 00:37:40 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/3 Productivity vs work hours

In spite of this article having made Germans sound like they work much less than Americans, I would venture the following comment: in Denmark, where I live, it is commonly conceived that Northern Europeans may work fewer hours than Americans but that they are much more productive per hour of work.  I'm not sure if I agree that Northern Europeans work more than Americans, but that they work just as hard and accomplish just as much, I can safely say, having worked in both countries.

I agree that the work week should be officially and de facto shorter (many places carry the expectation of overtime), but I don't think the climate problem is really about the number of hours spent at the office...

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In spite of this article having made Germans sound like they work much less than Americans, I would venture the following comment: in Denmark, where I live, it is commonly conceived that Northern Europeans may work fewer hours than Americans but that they are much more productive per hour of work.  I'm not sure if I agree that Northern Europeans work more than Americans, but that they work just as hard and accomplish just as much, I can safely say, having worked in both countries.

I agree that the work week should be officially and de facto shorter (many places carry the expectation of overtime), but I don't think the climate problem is really about the number of hours spent at the office...

]]> Comment #4 by vb http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/ Wed, 30 May 2007 02:08:34 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/4 less work

The Machine needs our work to keep cranking. Less work, less cranking. Less cranking, less resource used. Less resource used, more planet left. It's a no brainer.

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The Machine needs our work to keep cranking. Less work, less cranking. Less cranking, less resource used. Less resource used, more planet left. It's a no brainer.

]]> Comment #5 by jeffrossini http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/ Wed, 30 May 2007 05:27:56 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/this-sounds-like-a-job-for-nobody/5 [re:] less work

Less work, less cranking - true.  Less cranking, less resource used - kinda.  While the raw materials and resources for production would decrease as a logical conclusion of your statements, the demand for the final product would not necessarily change.

While I personally would love to have more free time to sit on the porch with family and talk about yesterday's rain storm, I would bet that a majority of Americans would not know what to do with themselves!  And what do Americans do when they are bored?: buy stuff they don't need.

Does anyone think that there is a much larger sociological issue underlying this? - and while decreasing the production of goods would help on one level - true, lasting change will require a shift in how Americans consume...

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Less work, less cranking - true.  Less cranking, less resource used - kinda.  While the raw materials and resources for production would decrease as a logical conclusion of your statements, the demand for the final product would not necessarily change.

While I personally would love to have more free time to sit on the porch with family and talk about yesterday's rain storm, I would bet that a majority of Americans would not know what to do with themselves!  And what do Americans do when they are bored?: buy stuff they don't need.

Does anyone think that there is a much larger sociological issue underlying this? - and while decreasing the production of goods would help on one level - true, lasting change will require a shift in how Americans consume...

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