<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Years after everyone else, GM and Toyota execs skeptical about hydrogen cars]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/ Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:40:28 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/1 And you're mad...why?


Hold on.  You're mad because they don't want to build the hydrogen car.

But Gristies are H28TRS.   So you should be happy.

EV-1: C'mon it had a range of what?  40 mph...and overnight charging?

electric cars...pollution: sure, if you ever get those "giant solar collectors" to bring home the juice at 15 cents...

Batteries: SciAm just had an article about how Lead Acid batteries are still the better choice for storage (it's the weight).  If we're still arguing that, it still seems like battery technology has a long way to do.

Anyway, by the time you guys finish arguing, they'll have drilled all the super deep oil wells and prices will go down to $10 a barrel.  

Vroom.........


]]> And you're mad...why?


Hold on.  You're mad because they don't want to build the hydrogen car.

But Gristies are H28TRS.   So you should be happy.

EV-1: C'mon it had a range of what?  40 mph...and overnight charging?

electric cars...pollution: sure, if you ever get those "giant solar collectors" to bring home the juice at 15 cents...

Batteries: SciAm just had an article about how Lead Acid batteries are still the better choice for storage (it's the weight).  If we're still arguing that, it still seems like battery technology has a long way to do.

Anyway, by the time you guys finish arguing, they'll have drilled all the super deep oil wells and prices will go down to $10 a barrel.  

Vroom.........


]]> Comment #2 by GRLCowan http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/ Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:07:25 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/2 A Li-ion car did in fact go 300 km on a charge

in 2004, IIRC. About as far as liquid-hydrogen-fuelled internal combustion cars have gone, back in the mid-1970s when multiple serious efforts produced hydrogen cars much more capable than the FCEV things of recent years; they were so capable that it was said, I seem to recall, that they were within five years of mass rollout, or at most ten.

Look up the Hydrogen Car Timeline. This stuff isn't new.

How shall the car gain nuclear cachet?

]]> A Li-ion car did in fact go 300 km on a charge

in 2004, IIRC. About as far as liquid-hydrogen-fuelled internal combustion cars have gone, back in the mid-1970s when multiple serious efforts produced hydrogen cars much more capable than the FCEV things of recent years; they were so capable that it was said, I seem to recall, that they were within five years of mass rollout, or at most ten.

Look up the Hydrogen Car Timeline. This stuff isn't new.

How shall the car gain nuclear cachet?

]]> Comment #3 by Matt http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:42:22 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/3 *Sniff*

But I really wanted a fuel cell car.. they're soo cool! Oh well, I suppose that the logistics of a Hydrogen Infrastructure were always a bit much to overcome. At least, that's what most everyone has been saying for a decade or more.

Jabailo:
Come on, man. You're not even trying anymore! I find your posts amusing to the Nth degree and look forward to your deliberately unhelpful and random comments. But you've got to put some "umph" into it, man! Everyone has an off day and I understand that.. take the weekend off and come back swingin'. I have faith in you!

If you continue to do what you've always done you'll continue to get what you've always got. - Yogi Berra


]]> *Sniff*

But I really wanted a fuel cell car.. they're soo cool! Oh well, I suppose that the logistics of a Hydrogen Infrastructure were always a bit much to overcome. At least, that's what most everyone has been saying for a decade or more.

Jabailo:
Come on, man. You're not even trying anymore! I find your posts amusing to the Nth degree and look forward to your deliberately unhelpful and random comments. But you've got to put some "umph" into it, man! Everyone has an off day and I understand that.. take the weekend off and come back swingin'. I have faith in you!

If you continue to do what you've always done you'll continue to get what you've always got. - Yogi Berra


]]> Comment #4 by Stan1624 http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/ Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:42:40 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/4 more fuel-cell SUVs

Another thing to note is that though fuel-cell vehicles themselves may emit nothing but water vapor, the process of producing fuel cells from hydrocarbons will just continue America's dependence on fossil fuels and leave behind carbon dioxide which sadly is the primary cause of global warming.

Major automakers are still optimistic about fuel cells, convinced they are even more cleaner and efficient compared to hydrogen internal combustion engines. Now I am more excited to see if plans will materialize about Nissan Frontier pickups and large cargo vans with greener truck parts that run on fuel cells and hydrogen.

I hope that the likes of BMW's Hydrogen Seven and Honda's FCX will not just be a thing of the past.

"if you can't win the race, make the one ahead break the record"

]]> more fuel-cell SUVs

Another thing to note is that though fuel-cell vehicles themselves may emit nothing but water vapor, the process of producing fuel cells from hydrocarbons will just continue America's dependence on fossil fuels and leave behind carbon dioxide which sadly is the primary cause of global warming.

Major automakers are still optimistic about fuel cells, convinced they are even more cleaner and efficient compared to hydrogen internal combustion engines. Now I am more excited to see if plans will materialize about Nissan Frontier pickups and large cargo vans with greener truck parts that run on fuel cells and hydrogen.

I hope that the likes of BMW's Hydrogen Seven and Honda's FCX will not just be a thing of the past.

"if you can't win the race, make the one ahead break the record"

]]> Comment #5 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/ Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:17:22 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/5 R.I.P.

A long deserved end to this waste of government and industry research funds.  

But as usual the incredible Lutz (who thinks GHG climate change is a crock o' shit) serves his standard diversion.  He is touting lithium, for all electric cars.

Instead of taking this excellent oppurtunity to point out that the plugin hybrid volt is ready right now to do the job, without 20k worth of lithium batteries.  And without 10s of thousands of very expensive quick recharge facilities.

Heis counting on lithium batteries remaining tooexpensive for mass adoption of the all electric technology.  He also knows that the financial barrier to building out very high amperage, problematic quick charge "gas" stations for all electric cars is prohibitive.

Don't underestimate Lutz, he is the king of all gas guzzler enthusiasts.  he will keep up this effort to stall plugin hybrids forever if he can.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> R.I.P.

A long deserved end to this waste of government and industry research funds.  

But as usual the incredible Lutz (who thinks GHG climate change is a crock o' shit) serves his standard diversion.  He is touting lithium, for all electric cars.

Instead of taking this excellent oppurtunity to point out that the plugin hybrid volt is ready right now to do the job, without 20k worth of lithium batteries.  And without 10s of thousands of very expensive quick recharge facilities.

Heis counting on lithium batteries remaining tooexpensive for mass adoption of the all electric technology.  He also knows that the financial barrier to building out very high amperage, problematic quick charge "gas" stations for all electric cars is prohibitive.

Don't underestimate Lutz, he is the king of all gas guzzler enthusiasts.  he will keep up this effort to stall plugin hybrids forever if he can.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Comment #6 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/ Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:29:26 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/6 Why?

I hope that the likes of BMW's Hydrogen Seven and Honda's FCX will not just be a thing of the past.

I sure don't.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,448648 ...
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]]> Why?

I hope that the likes of BMW's Hydrogen Seven and Honda's FCX will not just be a thing of the past.

I sure don't.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,448648 ...
http://greyfalcon.net/hydrogen2.png
http://greyfalcon.net/hydrogen.png
http://greyfalcon.net/hydrogen4.png



]]> Comment #7 by BSTNH1 http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/ Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:58:19 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/this-just-in-hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-are-still-dead/7 Global Warming

The earth has been warming and cooling since the beginning of time. No government or organization or world-wide effort can stop these cycles.  Polar bears have survived an ice free pole and will in the future.  The human contribution to global warming is less than 1%.

]]> Global Warming

The earth has been warming and cooling since the beginning of time. No government or organization or world-wide effort can stop these cycles.  Polar bears have survived an ice free pole and will in the future.  The human contribution to global warming is less than 1%.

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