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            <title>Comment #1 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:07:18 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Looking on the Bright Side</strong></p><p>Continuing a New Year Resolution to try to see the bright side of EVERYTHING...</p><p>
The broad coastal plains inundated by the rise in sea level will become excellent habitat for marine life. Vast shallow areas will serve as buffers from storm surges, protecting new coastal wetlands for birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, et cetera. The unpredictable circumstances will drive humans inland, permitting establishment of new natural areas. Fisheries will rebound. Abandoned cities will be the foundations of new reefs.</p><p>
Perhaps God is firing a shot over the bow. Rather than punish us for our sins by wiping out most of humanity with one enormous flood, He/She is giving Europe back to Arctic wildlife (no more Gulf Stream) and the coasts back to other wildlife. I wonder what He/She will do if we ignore THIS warning.</p>
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				<p><strong>Looking on the Bright Side</strong></p><p>Continuing a New Year Resolution to try to see the bright side of EVERYTHING...</p><p>
The broad coastal plains inundated by the rise in sea level will become excellent habitat for marine life. Vast shallow areas will serve as buffers from storm surges, protecting new coastal wetlands for birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, et cetera. The unpredictable circumstances will drive humans inland, permitting establishment of new natural areas. Fisheries will rebound. Abandoned cities will be the foundations of new reefs.</p><p>
Perhaps God is firing a shot over the bow. Rather than punish us for our sins by wiping out most of humanity with one enormous flood, He/She is giving Europe back to Arctic wildlife (no more Gulf Stream) and the coasts back to other wildlife. I wonder what He/She will do if we ignore THIS warning.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Earth Shaman</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:46:15 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Rising Tide needs Detergent</strong></p><p>Senor Romm, We need to wash the minds of all of you folks who do not understand Earth Science.We will get more water,but that will all be over in a few short years and we will get cooler for a few years,then stabilise.Us old senior scientists from Earth Service have informed and informed folks about the anomalous energies that visit our galaxy on a periodical basis and revv the grid system(and not the power companys grid system,by the way,as I have had some folks giggle when they were unable to process my taskings)The 10.5 solar cycle we all know about is just an example of the energy that visits us.This anomaly period that has a 1050 year periodicity(Do yo get the connection between the 10.5 I spoke to and the 1050 I am speaking to now??) has been affecting us now for over 20 years and ebbs and flows until the main body that rides on that oxygen line passes us by,we will get belted with weather just as the biblical story has taught some,as that was a story of the experiencing of the 1050,the glaciers will return,life will go back to somewhat normal,although extra water will inhabit the earth.Carbon components do not cause warming and plants do not make the oxygen on our earth or any other.Hydrogen and oxygen come into this planet as a gas frequency just as ozone is produced by just a blue uv light in many peoples hot tubs and your favorite beauty/barber shop for years and most folks just dont put it together that the light frequency demonstration is telling them something,just as we science men from earth service have been trying to tell some of you folks something about how their earth actually works.The other planets in our solar system make the gases we need for human/animal/plant survival.We spin at the same frequency as Mars and that planet has a 24 hour day and was previously inhabited. All of our solar system planets have been perturbed by this anomaly,of which I can completely explain,very simply in fact.But the bottom line is that the damage being done with ill informed science /media is creating economics problems and political problems everywhere and those that propagate the hysteria of carbon based man made global warming are tantamount to treasonous action against all of this earths citizens when they fail to just look about them when Earth Service science men show them the planetary science information that is necessary for their properness as science men.Tell me Mr. Romm ,just what does open the stomata on a leaf? Just for openers and tell me Mr. Romm how you would process if this old Papa told you we have a crystalline core on this planet and that that fact gives anyone who can process the secret of gravity along with grid science giving all of the clues necessary for proper understanding of climate science,every single one and the other planets in our system work on the same EXACT scientific principles.I would choose to wash you Mr. Romm ,so you might start anew,but Im afraid from my experience with earlier taskings with you that you will remain in the spin cycle. Ta for now.

<p>Earth Shaman</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Rising Tide needs Detergent</strong></p><p>Senor Romm, We need to wash the minds of all of you folks who do not understand Earth Science.We will get more water,but that will all be over in a few short years and we will get cooler for a few years,then stabilise.Us old senior scientists from Earth Service have informed and informed folks about the anomalous energies that visit our galaxy on a periodical basis and revv the grid system(and not the power companys grid system,by the way,as I have had some folks giggle when they were unable to process my taskings)The 10.5 solar cycle we all know about is just an example of the energy that visits us.This anomaly period that has a 1050 year periodicity(Do yo get the connection between the 10.5 I spoke to and the 1050 I am speaking to now??) has been affecting us now for over 20 years and ebbs and flows until the main body that rides on that oxygen line passes us by,we will get belted with weather just as the biblical story has taught some,as that was a story of the experiencing of the 1050,the glaciers will return,life will go back to somewhat normal,although extra water will inhabit the earth.Carbon components do not cause warming and plants do not make the oxygen on our earth or any other.Hydrogen and oxygen come into this planet as a gas frequency just as ozone is produced by just a blue uv light in many peoples hot tubs and your favorite beauty/barber shop for years and most folks just dont put it together that the light frequency demonstration is telling them something,just as we science men from earth service have been trying to tell some of you folks something about how their earth actually works.The other planets in our solar system make the gases we need for human/animal/plant survival.We spin at the same frequency as Mars and that planet has a 24 hour day and was previously inhabited. All of our solar system planets have been perturbed by this anomaly,of which I can completely explain,very simply in fact.But the bottom line is that the damage being done with ill informed science /media is creating economics problems and political problems everywhere and those that propagate the hysteria of carbon based man made global warming are tantamount to treasonous action against all of this earths citizens when they fail to just look about them when Earth Service science men show them the planetary science information that is necessary for their properness as science men.Tell me Mr. Romm ,just what does open the stomata on a leaf? Just for openers and tell me Mr. Romm how you would process if this old Papa told you we have a crystalline core on this planet and that that fact gives anyone who can process the secret of gravity along with grid science giving all of the clues necessary for proper understanding of climate science,every single one and the other planets in our system work on the same EXACT scientific principles.I would choose to wash you Mr. Romm ,so you might start anew,but Im afraid from my experience with earlier taskings with you that you will remain in the spin cycle. Ta for now.

<p>Earth Shaman</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by mseall</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:30:52 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Some interesting comments<p>We posted something similar a couple of weeks previously and received some interesting comments:<p>
<a href="http://www.talkclimatechange.com/2007/12/18/is-sea-level-rise-worse-than-terrorism/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkclimatechange.com/2007/12/18/is-sea-level- ...

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				<p><strong>Some interesting comments<p>We posted something similar a couple of weeks previously and received some interesting comments:<p>
<a href="http://www.talkclimatechange.com/2007/12/18/is-sea-level-rise-worse-than-terrorism/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkclimatechange.com/2007/12/18/is-sea-level- ...

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            <title>Comment #4 by Sam Wells</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:02:47 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nobody knows anything, maybe?</strong></p><p>Five feet over a century sounds reasonable, although we really don't know where, when, or exactly why. &nbsp;</p><p>
Where: &nbsp;the Earth is not perfectly round and water will flow at different rates from the poles towards the Equator in a "lumpy" manner perhaps, is my understanding. So maybe that is why some islands in the Indian Ocean and South Asia seem to have a more pronounced sea level rise that other places? I haven't a clue.</p><p>
When: &nbsp;this depends on the release of a whole bunch of land-based ice being melted into water. Think glaciers. Sea ice already displaces water in the ocean (ice actually expands compared to a liquid state, right?). But our predictions of land ice melt possibly require more investigation. That could be catastrophic, a "Noah event." </p><p>
Why: &nbsp;well let's say heat trapping gases in the lower atmosphere are strongly correlated, although as Earth Shaman points out, Circadian cycles may be present as well - with unknown effects IMHO.</p><p>
But as a sort of modern-day "beach man," the impacts on coastal communities could be felt even with a rise of a foot or so. Now that is serious, because with erosion and land subsidence, and the fact that many communities on the Gulf and Atlantic coasts were built with a 300-foot beach, the beach would simply disappear! No more beaches. Some of the best Pacific surf breaks will be lost as well. Wow, surfing of all kinds is really going to suffer. </p><p>
Yep, 12 inches would be a total disaster for many of us living on what is a sand spit. &nbsp;/sam

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Nobody knows anything, maybe?</strong></p><p>Five feet over a century sounds reasonable, although we really don't know where, when, or exactly why. &nbsp;</p><p>
Where: &nbsp;the Earth is not perfectly round and water will flow at different rates from the poles towards the Equator in a "lumpy" manner perhaps, is my understanding. So maybe that is why some islands in the Indian Ocean and South Asia seem to have a more pronounced sea level rise that other places? I haven't a clue.</p><p>
When: &nbsp;this depends on the release of a whole bunch of land-based ice being melted into water. Think glaciers. Sea ice already displaces water in the ocean (ice actually expands compared to a liquid state, right?). But our predictions of land ice melt possibly require more investigation. That could be catastrophic, a "Noah event." </p><p>
Why: &nbsp;well let's say heat trapping gases in the lower atmosphere are strongly correlated, although as Earth Shaman points out, Circadian cycles may be present as well - with unknown effects IMHO.</p><p>
But as a sort of modern-day "beach man," the impacts on coastal communities could be felt even with a rise of a foot or so. Now that is serious, because with erosion and land subsidence, and the fact that many communities on the Gulf and Atlantic coasts were built with a 300-foot beach, the beach would simply disappear! No more beaches. Some of the best Pacific surf breaks will be lost as well. Wow, surfing of all kinds is really going to suffer. </p><p>
Yep, 12 inches would be a total disaster for many of us living on what is a sand spit. &nbsp;/sam

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:22:33 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Anybody's guess is good. Why not 20 ft?<p>Because we are already off the bad side of any global warming model that wasn't calculated on an xbox by the deniers. Anybody, anywhere who says they have a good model for climate change is full of it at this point because last summers arctic ice melt took everybody by surprise.<p>
Exactly how much methane is coming out of the siberian permafrost is also a product of pure speculation. We know that there is more biologically available carbon in those permafrosts than every chunk of coal and drop of oil ever burnt but we don't know how to estimate the eventual release or what the feedback mechanisms will be.<p>
All we are really sure of is that events are off the bad side of the charts. <p>
All us backyard Noahs better get to building. How long is a cubit anyway? It's the Waterworld baby. TEOTWAWKI (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yrp69p" rel="nofollow">sing along now..)

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Anybody's guess is good. Why not 20 ft?<p>Because we are already off the bad side of any global warming model that wasn't calculated on an xbox by the deniers. Anybody, anywhere who says they have a good model for climate change is full of it at this point because last summers arctic ice melt took everybody by surprise.<p>
Exactly how much methane is coming out of the siberian permafrost is also a product of pure speculation. We know that there is more biologically available carbon in those permafrosts than every chunk of coal and drop of oil ever burnt but we don't know how to estimate the eventual release or what the feedback mechanisms will be.<p>
All we are really sure of is that events are off the bad side of the charts. <p>
All us backyard Noahs better get to building. How long is a cubit anyway? It's the Waterworld baby. TEOTWAWKI (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yrp69p" rel="nofollow">sing along now..)

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:38:49 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Conclusions Matching Conclusions<p><br>
I'm so glad your conclusion matched their conclusion. &nbsp; Which was also the result of a summary of a brief. &nbsp; That summary is now being used to distill a policy into an action statement. &nbsp; The outcome of which will be that of their conclusion.<p>
We're still waiting on the data.<p>
But that will come. &nbsp; <p>
Or else we'll make some up.

<p><b><a href="http://log.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">My Log</a></b></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Conclusions Matching Conclusions<p><br>
I'm so glad your conclusion matched their conclusion. &nbsp; Which was also the result of a summary of a brief. &nbsp; That summary is now being used to distill a policy into an action statement. &nbsp; The outcome of which will be that of their conclusion.<p>
We're still waiting on the data.<p>
But that will come. &nbsp; <p>
Or else we'll make some up.

<p><b><a href="http://log.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">My Log</a></b></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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