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            <title>Comment #1 by miken32</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:07:49 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>pesticides</strong></p><p>Although bananas do have much lower pesticide residue than other fruits (due largely to their protective skin) the effects of pesticide use at the source make it far from "OK." The real impact of the bananas' weekly pesticide bath is on the workers and the farms. About a quarter of the price of bananas in the supermarket goes towards pesticides.</p><p>
Where I live, organic (Dole) bananas are about 79&#162; a pound, compared to 59&#162; for non-organic. Your pricing may vary, but for me it's a no-brainer.</p><p>
P.S. Interesting banana fact: all Cavendish bananas produced today are clones of an original from the 1950s. Bananas are sterile and can't reproduce naturally.</p>
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				<p><strong>pesticides</strong></p><p>Although bananas do have much lower pesticide residue than other fruits (due largely to their protective skin) the effects of pesticide use at the source make it far from "OK." The real impact of the bananas' weekly pesticide bath is on the workers and the farms. About a quarter of the price of bananas in the supermarket goes towards pesticides.</p><p>
Where I live, organic (Dole) bananas are about 79&#162; a pound, compared to 59&#162; for non-organic. Your pricing may vary, but for me it's a no-brainer.</p><p>
P.S. Interesting banana fact: all Cavendish bananas produced today are clones of an original from the 1950s. Bananas are sterile and can't reproduce naturally.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by zengrrl</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:53:21 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>ripeness</strong></p><p>One thing I have noticed about organic bananas is that they stay good longer than conventional ones. A conventional 'yellow with a few brown speckles' banana is near the end of its life. An organic one is just reaching the peak, and will stay good a few more days. I've learned to open up organic bananas to see what they look like inside before assuming they have gone bad.</p>
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				<p><strong>ripeness</strong></p><p>One thing I have noticed about organic bananas is that they stay good longer than conventional ones. A conventional 'yellow with a few brown speckles' banana is near the end of its life. An organic one is just reaching the peak, and will stay good a few more days. I've learned to open up organic bananas to see what they look like inside before assuming they have gone bad.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by wolfger</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:02:26 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>ripening of bananas<p>Commercial bananas are usually ripened at the wholesale distributor in large gas chambers using ethylene gas.<br>
See <a href="http://www.eatmorebananas.com/facts/ripening.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.eatmorebananas.com/facts/ripening.htm</a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>ripening of bananas<p>Commercial bananas are usually ripened at the wholesale distributor in large gas chambers using ethylene gas.<br>
See <a href="http://www.eatmorebananas.com/facts/ripening.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.eatmorebananas.com/facts/ripening.htm</a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Ashley Braun</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:31:36 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Even if you do end up with some bad bananas</strong></p><p>Here's a great recipe for your overripe bananas:</p><p>
Banana Nut Bread</p><p>
2 1/2 cp flour<br>
1 cp sugar<br>
3 1/2 tsp. baking powder<br>
1 tsp salt<br>
3 T. salad oil<br>
3/4 cp milk<br>
1 egg<br>
1 cp mashed ripe banana (2-3 medium)<br>
1 cp finely chopped nuts</p><p>
Heat oven to 350 degrees. &nbsp;Grease and flour 9x5x3-inch loaf pan or 2 8.5x4.5x2.5-inch loaf pans. &nbsp;Measure all ingredients into large mixer bowl; beat on medium speed 1/2 minute, scraping side and bottom of bowl constantly. &nbsp;Pour into pan(s). &nbsp;Bake 55-65 minutes or until wooden pick inserted in center comes out clean. &nbsp;Remove from pan; cool thoroughly before slicing.</p><p>
Enjoy delicious banana bread.</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Even if you do end up with some bad bananas</strong></p><p>Here's a great recipe for your overripe bananas:</p><p>
Banana Nut Bread</p><p>
2 1/2 cp flour<br>
1 cp sugar<br>
3 1/2 tsp. baking powder<br>
1 tsp salt<br>
3 T. salad oil<br>
3/4 cp milk<br>
1 egg<br>
1 cp mashed ripe banana (2-3 medium)<br>
1 cp finely chopped nuts</p><p>
Heat oven to 350 degrees. &nbsp;Grease and flour 9x5x3-inch loaf pan or 2 8.5x4.5x2.5-inch loaf pans. &nbsp;Measure all ingredients into large mixer bowl; beat on medium speed 1/2 minute, scraping side and bottom of bowl constantly. &nbsp;Pour into pan(s). &nbsp;Bake 55-65 minutes or until wooden pick inserted in center comes out clean. &nbsp;Remove from pan; cool thoroughly before slicing.</p><p>
Enjoy delicious banana bread.</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by JLJ4774</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:12:45 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Lets not forget about Ethylene gas</strong></p><p>I have a friend who works for a very large national fruit and veggie company. &nbsp;He once described to me the banana ripening facilities he has on site at his distro center. &nbsp;Non-organic bananas are placed in what resemble large meat lockers. &nbsp;These banana lockers which are airtight are filled to the brim with bushels of bananas and then artificial ethylene gas is pumped in.</p><p>
The ethylene gas hastens the ripening process so that the bananas are less green than they would normally be. &nbsp;Remember that rules of organics stipulate no artificial chemicals or non-natural methods for ripening. &nbsp;Your organic bananas that you pay almost twice the price for are NOT suffocated in noxious ethylene gas, unlike their cheaper much more attractive, and potentially hazardous counterparts.</p>
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				<p><strong>Lets not forget about Ethylene gas</strong></p><p>I have a friend who works for a very large national fruit and veggie company. &nbsp;He once described to me the banana ripening facilities he has on site at his distro center. &nbsp;Non-organic bananas are placed in what resemble large meat lockers. &nbsp;These banana lockers which are airtight are filled to the brim with bushels of bananas and then artificial ethylene gas is pumped in.</p><p>
The ethylene gas hastens the ripening process so that the bananas are less green than they would normally be. &nbsp;Remember that rules of organics stipulate no artificial chemicals or non-natural methods for ripening. &nbsp;Your organic bananas that you pay almost twice the price for are NOT suffocated in noxious ethylene gas, unlike their cheaper much more attractive, and potentially hazardous counterparts.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by timhammond</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:02:39 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Purple bananas</strong></p><p>You may want to check out purple bananas. &nbsp;I don't know if they are a subspecies of Cavendish or anything like that, but they are interesting. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Purple bananas</strong></p><p>You may want to check out purple bananas. &nbsp;I don't know if they are a subspecies of Cavendish or anything like that, but they are interesting. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by sarahbei</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:06:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>radio show and book - fascinating stuff<p>Fresh Air just had an episode on bananas. &nbsp;Terry Gross interviewed the author of Banana: The Fate of the Fruit That Changed the World and it was fascinating. &nbsp;They also talked about how there is a banana fungus or something that is threatening to wipe out banana trees (since they're all clones it wouldn't take much). &nbsp;<p>
Yet another example of how mass industrialization of &nbsp;agriculture is bad for us. &nbsp;Africa is going to be particularly screwed since bananas make up a very important portion of the average African diet (so I heard).<p>
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19097412" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1909 ...</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>radio show and book - fascinating stuff<p>Fresh Air just had an episode on bananas. &nbsp;Terry Gross interviewed the author of Banana: The Fate of the Fruit That Changed the World and it was fascinating. &nbsp;They also talked about how there is a banana fungus or something that is threatening to wipe out banana trees (since they're all clones it wouldn't take much). &nbsp;<p>
Yet another example of how mass industrialization of &nbsp;agriculture is bad for us. &nbsp;Africa is going to be particularly screwed since bananas make up a very important portion of the average African diet (so I heard).<p>
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19097412" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1909 ...</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by willa</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:40:58 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>another reason?</strong></p><p>Organic bananas are still a tiny fraction of the bananas out there, so a grocer isn't going to move anything like the volume of organic ones as conventional. &nbsp;Therefore, maybe they aren't getting deliveries as regularly, so they have to put out greener ones at times, where with conventional the volume is so huge that they can put out only the ones that are right at their peak? &nbsp;I get that there's the ethylene issue, but I wonder if there's also some management stuff going on?</p><p>
In any case, like the first commenter, I buy organic bananas for the workers' sake more than my own. &nbsp;In my area organic is twice the price (99c. vs. 49c.), but they also taste better, so it's no big.</p><p>
In other banana news, a couple of months ago I was putting together a fruit basket of organic fruits from my local health food store, and in addition to apples, oranges, pears, etc, some little mini bananas caught my eye. &nbsp;They were maybe 4" long and not as bright yellow as Cavendish, but so adorable I couldn't resist putting some in the basket. &nbsp;Then when I went to actually assemble the fruit I had bought into the basket, I found that the bananas wouldn't all fit, so I split the bunch and got a few to eat myself...and OH MY GOD those things were delicious. &nbsp;If they had them all the time, I'd probably eat those exclusively instead of "normal" bananas. &nbsp;They were sweeter yet simultaneously more tart and delicately flavorful than a regular banana. &nbsp;If you see these, I highly recommend buying some!</p>
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				<p><strong>another reason?</strong></p><p>Organic bananas are still a tiny fraction of the bananas out there, so a grocer isn't going to move anything like the volume of organic ones as conventional. &nbsp;Therefore, maybe they aren't getting deliveries as regularly, so they have to put out greener ones at times, where with conventional the volume is so huge that they can put out only the ones that are right at their peak? &nbsp;I get that there's the ethylene issue, but I wonder if there's also some management stuff going on?</p><p>
In any case, like the first commenter, I buy organic bananas for the workers' sake more than my own. &nbsp;In my area organic is twice the price (99c. vs. 49c.), but they also taste better, so it's no big.</p><p>
In other banana news, a couple of months ago I was putting together a fruit basket of organic fruits from my local health food store, and in addition to apples, oranges, pears, etc, some little mini bananas caught my eye. &nbsp;They were maybe 4" long and not as bright yellow as Cavendish, but so adorable I couldn't resist putting some in the basket. &nbsp;Then when I went to actually assemble the fruit I had bought into the basket, I found that the bananas wouldn't all fit, so I split the bunch and got a few to eat myself...and OH MY GOD those things were delicious. &nbsp;If they had them all the time, I'd probably eat those exclusively instead of "normal" bananas. &nbsp;They were sweeter yet simultaneously more tart and delicately flavorful than a regular banana. &nbsp;If you see these, I highly recommend buying some!</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by ruth117</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:42:06 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>You can use ethylene gas too!!!</strong></p><p>Ethylene gas is a natural hormone produced by plants and fruits (especially ripe ones!). If you have some green bananas and have a hankering for ripeness in a hurry then just place the bananas in an air-tight bag with some ripe apples/oranges/pears etc. and let them sit overnight. Voila! ripe bananas!!!</p>
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				<p><strong>You can use ethylene gas too!!!</strong></p><p>Ethylene gas is a natural hormone produced by plants and fruits (especially ripe ones!). If you have some green bananas and have a hankering for ripeness in a hurry then just place the bananas in an air-tight bag with some ripe apples/oranges/pears etc. and let them sit overnight. Voila! ripe bananas!!!</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by marcus goodfellow</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:44:09 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bigger isn't always better</strong></p><p>In regards to the size of the conventional bananas vs. organic bananas it might be helpful to consider size in a different way. Organic fruit usually has a "bigger" flavor. I work in the wine industry, a unique sector of the agricultural industry, because we are trying to produce more flavor, rather than more fruit. Most of the clonal selections we have in the vineyard are, at least partially, oriented towards smaller berries, since these have a better skin to juice ratio, but also better flavor in the grapes in general. I never buy conventional bananas anymore, because all too often they are bland and tasteless, regardless of how big and beautiful the fruit looks. </p>
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				<p><strong>Bigger isn't always better</strong></p><p>In regards to the size of the conventional bananas vs. organic bananas it might be helpful to consider size in a different way. Organic fruit usually has a "bigger" flavor. I work in the wine industry, a unique sector of the agricultural industry, because we are trying to produce more flavor, rather than more fruit. Most of the clonal selections we have in the vineyard are, at least partially, oriented towards smaller berries, since these have a better skin to juice ratio, but also better flavor in the grapes in general. I never buy conventional bananas anymore, because all too often they are bland and tasteless, regardless of how big and beautiful the fruit looks. </p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by seattlepam</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:56:26 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>another reason to go organic</strong></p><p>Did you know that when conventional bananas are grown they are covered by these enormous blue plastic bags? And, when they have reached the desired maturity the bags are thrown on the ground and the bananas are harvested. The rains come, wash those pretty blue bags into the canals and then into the oceans. THEN, turtles - whose primary diet is jellyfish - eat the blue bags as they mistake them for dinner. Thousands of sea turtles die each year this way. ORGANIC bananas don't need no stinkin' blue bag. If you care about turtles, oceans, your health, the environment (have I covered everyone here yet?) then please spend the extra .20 and buy organic!</p>
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				<p><strong>another reason to go organic</strong></p><p>Did you know that when conventional bananas are grown they are covered by these enormous blue plastic bags? And, when they have reached the desired maturity the bags are thrown on the ground and the bananas are harvested. The rains come, wash those pretty blue bags into the canals and then into the oceans. THEN, turtles - whose primary diet is jellyfish - eat the blue bags as they mistake them for dinner. Thousands of sea turtles die each year this way. ORGANIC bananas don't need no stinkin' blue bag. If you care about turtles, oceans, your health, the environment (have I covered everyone here yet?) then please spend the extra .20 and buy organic!</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by ladycat</title>
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				<p><strong>Ethylene gas</strong></p><p>FYI some months ago ethylene gas was approved for use in organic bananas.</p><p>
That makes me mad but they are still safer than the non-organic, so I still buy them. </p><p>
Organic bananas in the store I shop are 79 cents a pound compared to 49 cents for the regular. It's well worth it to me to pay the extra.</p>
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				<p><strong>Ethylene gas</strong></p><p>FYI some months ago ethylene gas was approved for use in organic bananas.</p><p>
That makes me mad but they are still safer than the non-organic, so I still buy them. </p><p>
Organic bananas in the store I shop are 79 cents a pound compared to 49 cents for the regular. It's well worth it to me to pay the extra.</p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by spaceshaper</title>
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				<p><strong>The Cavendish</strong></p><p>has been the dominant export banana since the early 1950's when it replaced the Gros Michel, which was wiped out within a very short space of time by a virulent root fungus. The banana is a finicky fruit best eaten locally: very few of the many many varieties of the banana are suitable for export. It is almost certain that the Cavendish will go the same way as the Gros Michel within the next decade or so as a new variant of that fungus to which the Cavendish is not resistant is already apparent in Asia and will undoubtedly hit the Central American plantations before too long. The Cavendish's replacement will almost certainly be a GE variety.</p><p>
Enjoy your organic bananas while ye may. </p>
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				<p><strong>The Cavendish</strong></p><p>has been the dominant export banana since the early 1950's when it replaced the Gros Michel, which was wiped out within a very short space of time by a virulent root fungus. The banana is a finicky fruit best eaten locally: very few of the many many varieties of the banana are suitable for export. It is almost certain that the Cavendish will go the same way as the Gros Michel within the next decade or so as a new variant of that fungus to which the Cavendish is not resistant is already apparent in Asia and will undoubtedly hit the Central American plantations before too long. The Cavendish's replacement will almost certainly be a GE variety.</p><p>
Enjoy your organic bananas while ye may. </p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by crunchychicken</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:48:09 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Conventional gigantism</strong></p><p>I don't know about you, but I find those enormous conventional bananas to be too intimidating, almost pornographic. </p><p>
I know it's opposite of what everyone thinks, but the smaller ones are so much tastier!</p>
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				<p><strong>Conventional gigantism</strong></p><p>I don't know about you, but I find those enormous conventional bananas to be too intimidating, almost pornographic. </p><p>
I know it's opposite of what everyone thinks, but the smaller ones are so much tastier!</p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by mkrugman</title>
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				<p><strong>Organic bananas</strong></p><p>Based on the headline for this post, I thought maybe you'd have offer specific information about banana production, organic vs. commercial. How are bananas grown, and how does organic cultivation differ? And how does that affect me, and the planet?</p><p>
But by your own admission, you know virtually nothing about banana production, beyond a few stats you grabbed off the 'net, nor have you bothered to do any in-depth research as far as I can see. </p><p>
So what is the purpose of this article--just to get people chatting? Or is it perhaps here, in the Comments section, that we the readers are supposed to supply the content for your article? Maybe it is YOU who should be chiding me for not doing MY research? If so, I quit!</p>
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				<p><strong>Organic bananas</strong></p><p>Based on the headline for this post, I thought maybe you'd have offer specific information about banana production, organic vs. commercial. How are bananas grown, and how does organic cultivation differ? And how does that affect me, and the planet?</p><p>
But by your own admission, you know virtually nothing about banana production, beyond a few stats you grabbed off the 'net, nor have you bothered to do any in-depth research as far as I can see. </p><p>
So what is the purpose of this article--just to get people chatting? Or is it perhaps here, in the Comments section, that we the readers are supposed to supply the content for your article? Maybe it is YOU who should be chiding me for not doing MY research? If so, I quit!</p>
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            <title>Comment #16 by Leprof</title>
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				<p><strong>organic bananas</strong></p><p>health be danged,<br>
buy organic bananas to reduce the massive pesticide load dumped into the local environments surrounding banana farms.<br>
Better yet, switch to a fruit that isn't farmed in monoculture on cleared tropical rainforest land, then shipped an ungodly distance to your grocery store.</p><p>
Another note: <br>
Beautiful fruit is not the same as quality fruit. &nbsp;As an example, juice oranges, bred for actual quality of the juice, look pretty ratty (but we never have to see them). &nbsp;The nice bulging orange oranges of supermarkets have been bred for beauty as much as for fruit quality. Furthermore, much of the pesticide application on orange-growing farms is geared at getting supermarket oranges to look nice, not at actually improving the culinary or gastronomical qualities of the orange.</br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>organic bananas</strong></p><p>health be danged,<br>
buy organic bananas to reduce the massive pesticide load dumped into the local environments surrounding banana farms.<br>
Better yet, switch to a fruit that isn't farmed in monoculture on cleared tropical rainforest land, then shipped an ungodly distance to your grocery store.</p><p>
Another note: <br>
Beautiful fruit is not the same as quality fruit. &nbsp;As an example, juice oranges, bred for actual quality of the juice, look pretty ratty (but we never have to see them). &nbsp;The nice bulging orange oranges of supermarkets have been bred for beauty as much as for fruit quality. Furthermore, much of the pesticide application on orange-growing farms is geared at getting supermarket oranges to look nice, not at actually improving the culinary or gastronomical qualities of the orange.</br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #17 by mwildfire</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:58:41 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>other than Cavendish</strong></p><p>I spent the summer of 2003 in Ecuador, and pigged out the whole time on fruit and juice, which were abundant, varied and cheap. A tall glass of frshly squeezed juice, from "pina"--pineapples--or mora--blackberries, my favorite--or other fruits, was fifty cents. I bought fruit in the farmers' markets--I could usually get pineapples two for a buck, and there were two kinds--the ones we know, and another kind which were the same only small at one end. There were two kinds of papaya, the ones we see and some shaped like footballs and a big bigger. There were three or four kinds of banana--the ones we know, big green ones, some medium-size red ones, and some small yellow ones. After trying them all, I stuck to the little yellow ones the rest of the time I was there. There were also lots of fruits we never see--I especially remember the tree tomatoes, looking like red eggs and tasting like a cross between tomatoes and fruit--they weren't too good without sugar but made a healthful drink apparently.</p>
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				<p><strong>other than Cavendish</strong></p><p>I spent the summer of 2003 in Ecuador, and pigged out the whole time on fruit and juice, which were abundant, varied and cheap. A tall glass of frshly squeezed juice, from "pina"--pineapples--or mora--blackberries, my favorite--or other fruits, was fifty cents. I bought fruit in the farmers' markets--I could usually get pineapples two for a buck, and there were two kinds--the ones we know, and another kind which were the same only small at one end. There were two kinds of papaya, the ones we see and some shaped like footballs and a big bigger. There were three or four kinds of banana--the ones we know, big green ones, some medium-size red ones, and some small yellow ones. After trying them all, I stuck to the little yellow ones the rest of the time I was there. There were also lots of fruits we never see--I especially remember the tree tomatoes, looking like red eggs and tasting like a cross between tomatoes and fruit--they weren't too good without sugar but made a healthful drink apparently.</p>
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            <title>Comment #18 by Bobbi Katsanis</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:05:02 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bananas are *tropical*....</strong></p><p>Dear friends of the earth - don't forget that bananas are a tropical species and therefore can be grown nowhere in the mainland U.S. Therefore, even if you buy organic, large amounts of fossil fuels have to be burned and emitted to transport bananas to you. Our household has decided that the earth cannot afford Americans continuing this kind of high-traffic food lifestyle, even if the fruits and veggies are grown as ecologically sensitively as possible, so bananas for us are a rare treat. We live in northern California, and it's early March, so right now we are eating locally-grown organic oranges and storage apples.</p><p>
I know that there have been studies (or at least one) indicating that locally-grown doesn't always win the prize - but I have yet to locate a detailed description of what was measured with these studies. It's like the British nappy study which found that cloth &amp; disposable come out about even. Well, friends, that study was descriptive not prescriptive, and so measured the ecological footprint of the way people use cloth diapers - washed in a nearly-empty washing machine on HOT and dried in the dryer. I haven't been able to get hold of the details of that study either, but I suspect that it did not take fully into account the fact that a cloth diaper's useful life is somewhere passing 30+ years (my mother's still using mine to dust furniture) and they DON'T end up in a landfill.</p><p>
The point is that if we environmentalists make use of these studies to endorse certain ecological bad habits without checking the specifics... well, that's just bad karma. </p>
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				<p><strong>Bananas are *tropical*....</strong></p><p>Dear friends of the earth - don't forget that bananas are a tropical species and therefore can be grown nowhere in the mainland U.S. Therefore, even if you buy organic, large amounts of fossil fuels have to be burned and emitted to transport bananas to you. Our household has decided that the earth cannot afford Americans continuing this kind of high-traffic food lifestyle, even if the fruits and veggies are grown as ecologically sensitively as possible, so bananas for us are a rare treat. We live in northern California, and it's early March, so right now we are eating locally-grown organic oranges and storage apples.</p><p>
I know that there have been studies (or at least one) indicating that locally-grown doesn't always win the prize - but I have yet to locate a detailed description of what was measured with these studies. It's like the British nappy study which found that cloth &amp; disposable come out about even. Well, friends, that study was descriptive not prescriptive, and so measured the ecological footprint of the way people use cloth diapers - washed in a nearly-empty washing machine on HOT and dried in the dryer. I haven't been able to get hold of the details of that study either, but I suspect that it did not take fully into account the fact that a cloth diaper's useful life is somewhere passing 30+ years (my mother's still using mine to dust furniture) and they DON'T end up in a landfill.</p><p>
The point is that if we environmentalists make use of these studies to endorse certain ecological bad habits without checking the specifics... well, that's just bad karma. </p>
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            <title>Comment #19 by PermieWriter</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:23:45 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Mainland bananas</strong></p><p>There was (maybe still is) a substantial banana farm between Santa Barbara and Ventura, California. And there is a gentleman in Sebastopol who grows amazing bananas, including the wonderful apple banana, which is little and yellow and has a stupendous flavor and texture, and the ice cream banana, which tastes very much like vanilla ice cream. He grows them in about an acre of greenhouse built for a '60s era flower operation using mostly solar heat (he told me he only has to use the heaters a couple days of the winter).</p><p>
And I understand RMI grows bananas in their HQ in Colorado. It's amazing what you can do with a little glass and some smart siting.</p>
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				<p><strong>Mainland bananas</strong></p><p>There was (maybe still is) a substantial banana farm between Santa Barbara and Ventura, California. And there is a gentleman in Sebastopol who grows amazing bananas, including the wonderful apple banana, which is little and yellow and has a stupendous flavor and texture, and the ice cream banana, which tastes very much like vanilla ice cream. He grows them in about an acre of greenhouse built for a '60s era flower operation using mostly solar heat (he told me he only has to use the heaters a couple days of the winter).</p><p>
And I understand RMI grows bananas in their HQ in Colorado. It's amazing what you can do with a little glass and some smart siting.</p>
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            <title>Comment #20 by caseyreagan</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:59:23 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>amen bobbi, others</strong></p><p>I have to say I am with those who found this to be a surprisingly flimsy piece. But moreso with those who realize that choosing organic bananas is a bit like driving to the store and then fretting over paper or plastic (Walk, bike, bus...and take your own bag) I just heard Winona LaDuke speak on sustainability, and among the zillion socially and politically driven comments she made, she said a little flippantly, "how did bananas become our favorite fruit when they don't even grow here?"<br>
duh.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>amen bobbi, others</strong></p><p>I have to say I am with those who found this to be a surprisingly flimsy piece. But moreso with those who realize that choosing organic bananas is a bit like driving to the store and then fretting over paper or plastic (Walk, bike, bus...and take your own bag) I just heard Winona LaDuke speak on sustainability, and among the zillion socially and politically driven comments she made, she said a little flippantly, "how did bananas become our favorite fruit when they don't even grow here?"<br>
duh.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #21 by Storm Dragon</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:26:19 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>More on imports</strong></p><p>It's probably human nature to want to import exotic delicacies like bananas from time to time. &nbsp;We should regard such things as a special treat, and not expect them to be inexpensive, or always available. &nbsp;A much more insidious and dangerous trend, it seems to me, is the practice of importing produce that we can grow very well here at home, in the proper season, (e.g., apples and apple juice from China). &nbsp;That just makes no sense to me. &nbsp; </p>
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				<p><strong>More on imports</strong></p><p>It's probably human nature to want to import exotic delicacies like bananas from time to time. &nbsp;We should regard such things as a special treat, and not expect them to be inexpensive, or always available. &nbsp;A much more insidious and dangerous trend, it seems to me, is the practice of importing produce that we can grow very well here at home, in the proper season, (e.g., apples and apple juice from China). &nbsp;That just makes no sense to me. &nbsp; </p>
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            <title>Comment #22 by jordanbaram</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:33:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Oh Banana</strong></p><p>Oke USA, the fair trade banana company, has a few comments on this interesting banana post:</p><p>
-There is no such thing as a cheap banana. &nbsp;The current banana system can basically be described as one where poor people in Latin America subsidize our banana consumption in the US with their physical and environmental health. &nbsp;</p><p>
-I was surprised that there is not mention of fair trade, currently the only attempt to internalize the actual costs of production into the price that American consumers pay for their bananas.</p><p>
-The biggest winners in the banana trade are the supermarkets that make large profits on America's most popular fruit.</p><p>
-Organic and conventional bananas get exposed to ethylene gas as well as heat and moisture to wake them up from their refrigeration induced hibernation from their ocean transit.</p><p>
-Plastic bags are used with organic banana production thought they are not impregnated with pesticides or they are impregnated with non-synthetic pesticide (like those derived from chili pepper or garlic). &nbsp;The plastic bags protect the skins from insects. &nbsp;Fair Trade certification stipulates that those plastic bags are collected and recycled and not allowed to get caught in steams.</p><p>
-The greenness of organic probably owes mostly to lack of volume. &nbsp;Getting banana color right from a ripening/distribution perspective is all about continuous flow and volume (think of running water). &nbsp;The much much smaller volume of organic bananas means the stream of bananas is less regular and full. &nbsp;This makes it harder for the ripeners and distributors and retailers to get the color right all of the time. </p><p>
-I believe strongly that organic bananas should be purchased for the sake of worker and environmental health at origin. &nbsp;However, as industrial organic has proliferated in the US it has also done so with tropical fruit. &nbsp;In the case of bananas, this means that folks are planting in higher altitude, dryer, more desert like regions to avoid the threat of moisture-loving airborne fungi and irrigating. &nbsp;These are incredibly fragile ecosystems that may be damaged by this sort of production and yet the bananas can be certified organic because no synthetic chemicals are used. &nbsp;Meanwhile there are growers in the traiditional lowlands regions who grow a "cleaner" IPM banana using less dangerous and lower quantities of pesticides. &nbsp;The black and white thinking of organic/not-organic is dangerous. </p><p>
-Through decades of intense marketing, the United Fruit Company (now Chiquita) and the Standard Fruit Company (now Dole) taught Americans that a banana is supposed to have perfect yellow skin and be just the right size and shape. &nbsp;This aesthetic canon is incredibly destructive and is the driving force behind the use of plastic bags and intense chemicals. &nbsp;Banana farmers know that if the peel is not perfect (regardless of how the fruit tastes) then then they can't export the fruit so they have very strong incentives to produce flawless looking fruit no matter the environmental cost. &nbsp;The most sustainable banana production I have heard about is a poly-culture farm in Costa Rica that grows bananas next to cacao, next to mangos and coffee. &nbsp;It is totally organic but they can't export any of their bananas fresh because of the way the skinds look so they sell them for puree for organic baby food. &nbsp;In addition to fairer trade, the most radical thing Americans can do would be to re-imagine the way a bananas is supposed to look in line with the way that bananas look in local markets in the south. &nbsp;Nobody, not even fair traders or banana Union folks, are attempting to raise these sorts of questions.</p>
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				<p><strong>Oh Banana</strong></p><p>Oke USA, the fair trade banana company, has a few comments on this interesting banana post:</p><p>
-There is no such thing as a cheap banana. &nbsp;The current banana system can basically be described as one where poor people in Latin America subsidize our banana consumption in the US with their physical and environmental health. &nbsp;</p><p>
-I was surprised that there is not mention of fair trade, currently the only attempt to internalize the actual costs of production into the price that American consumers pay for their bananas.</p><p>
-The biggest winners in the banana trade are the supermarkets that make large profits on America's most popular fruit.</p><p>
-Organic and conventional bananas get exposed to ethylene gas as well as heat and moisture to wake them up from their refrigeration induced hibernation from their ocean transit.</p><p>
-Plastic bags are used with organic banana production thought they are not impregnated with pesticides or they are impregnated with non-synthetic pesticide (like those derived from chili pepper or garlic). &nbsp;The plastic bags protect the skins from insects. &nbsp;Fair Trade certification stipulates that those plastic bags are collected and recycled and not allowed to get caught in steams.</p><p>
-The greenness of organic probably owes mostly to lack of volume. &nbsp;Getting banana color right from a ripening/distribution perspective is all about continuous flow and volume (think of running water). &nbsp;The much much smaller volume of organic bananas means the stream of bananas is less regular and full. &nbsp;This makes it harder for the ripeners and distributors and retailers to get the color right all of the time. </p><p>
-I believe strongly that organic bananas should be purchased for the sake of worker and environmental health at origin. &nbsp;However, as industrial organic has proliferated in the US it has also done so with tropical fruit. &nbsp;In the case of bananas, this means that folks are planting in higher altitude, dryer, more desert like regions to avoid the threat of moisture-loving airborne fungi and irrigating. &nbsp;These are incredibly fragile ecosystems that may be damaged by this sort of production and yet the bananas can be certified organic because no synthetic chemicals are used. &nbsp;Meanwhile there are growers in the traiditional lowlands regions who grow a "cleaner" IPM banana using less dangerous and lower quantities of pesticides. &nbsp;The black and white thinking of organic/not-organic is dangerous. </p><p>
-Through decades of intense marketing, the United Fruit Company (now Chiquita) and the Standard Fruit Company (now Dole) taught Americans that a banana is supposed to have perfect yellow skin and be just the right size and shape. &nbsp;This aesthetic canon is incredibly destructive and is the driving force behind the use of plastic bags and intense chemicals. &nbsp;Banana farmers know that if the peel is not perfect (regardless of how the fruit tastes) then then they can't export the fruit so they have very strong incentives to produce flawless looking fruit no matter the environmental cost. &nbsp;The most sustainable banana production I have heard about is a poly-culture farm in Costa Rica that grows bananas next to cacao, next to mangos and coffee. &nbsp;It is totally organic but they can't export any of their bananas fresh because of the way the skinds look so they sell them for puree for organic baby food. &nbsp;In addition to fairer trade, the most radical thing Americans can do would be to re-imagine the way a bananas is supposed to look in line with the way that bananas look in local markets in the south. &nbsp;Nobody, not even fair traders or banana Union folks, are attempting to raise these sorts of questions.</p>
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