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            <title>Comment #1 by mrknightley</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:11:23 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Simple Prudence?</strong></p><p>Dave, what is your definition of prudence? &nbsp;It's general usage implies caution and foresight. &nbsp;In the 50's M. King Hubbert gave us a warning about future oil supplies. &nbsp;In the 70's the Club of Rome gave a broad warning about the long term consequences of trends in human resource consumption, including oil. &nbsp;In the 90s the IPCC issued its first report noting that increased carbon emissions from human activities (burning fossil fuels among them) were warming the climate. &nbsp;Through all of this, US oil consumption has continued its upward trend. &nbsp;Perhaps you meant expedient?</p>
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				<p><strong>Simple Prudence?</strong></p><p>Dave, what is your definition of prudence? &nbsp;It's general usage implies caution and foresight. &nbsp;In the 50's M. King Hubbert gave us a warning about future oil supplies. &nbsp;In the 70's the Club of Rome gave a broad warning about the long term consequences of trends in human resource consumption, including oil. &nbsp;In the 90s the IPCC issued its first report noting that increased carbon emissions from human activities (burning fossil fuels among them) were warming the climate. &nbsp;Through all of this, US oil consumption has continued its upward trend. &nbsp;Perhaps you meant expedient?</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Katus</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:08:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Return SOTU: Oil 'Addiction'</strong></p><p>Much of the same skepticism ran through my mind when Bush blamed American petrochemical supply woes on 'addiction.' As mrknightly remarked, 'expedient' is certainly a more accurate term, and I would add, 'willfully.' Unless the U.S. public can confront profound changes that need to take place in their political economy (and recognizing that many oil/power elites will lose influence) to curb their dependency, then, indeed, they will continue to ruled by an "identifiable set of financial interests and the politicians that serve them." Nice post. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p>
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				<p><strong>The Return SOTU: Oil 'Addiction'</strong></p><p>Much of the same skepticism ran through my mind when Bush blamed American petrochemical supply woes on 'addiction.' As mrknightly remarked, 'expedient' is certainly a more accurate term, and I would add, 'willfully.' Unless the U.S. public can confront profound changes that need to take place in their political economy (and recognizing that many oil/power elites will lose influence) to curb their dependency, then, indeed, they will continue to ruled by an "identifiable set of financial interests and the politicians that serve them." Nice post. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by PDXOutdoors</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:28:48 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Missing a Major Reality</strong></p><p>In all the analysis and commentary on Bush's recent seemingly environmentally friendly initiatives, and his talk of 'oil addiction,' I've seen no talk at all about the main reason we burn so much oil in this country, which is that the way our cities and suburbs have been and are being built requires people to drive nearly everywhere.</p><p>
I'd like <b>someone</b> to speak up in the national debate and say, "Hey, if you're serious about reducing foreign oil dependence then you'll talk about ways to encourage development and re-development of cities so that folks have more non-automobile choices when commuting or running errands in their communities." &nbsp;People, even those with the best intentions, will usually choose the path of least resistance (expedience) and so encouraging them to make the right choice regarding transportation <b>has</b> to include making that choice less of a sacrifice.<br>
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				<p><strong>Missing a Major Reality</strong></p><p>In all the analysis and commentary on Bush's recent seemingly environmentally friendly initiatives, and his talk of 'oil addiction,' I've seen no talk at all about the main reason we burn so much oil in this country, which is that the way our cities and suburbs have been and are being built requires people to drive nearly everywhere.</p><p>
I'd like <b>someone</b> to speak up in the national debate and say, "Hey, if you're serious about reducing foreign oil dependence then you'll talk about ways to encourage development and re-development of cities so that folks have more non-automobile choices when commuting or running errands in their communities." &nbsp;People, even those with the best intentions, will usually choose the path of least resistance (expedience) and so encouraging them to make the right choice regarding transportation <b>has</b> to include making that choice less of a sacrifice.<br>
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            <title>Comment #4 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 04:47:18 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Sweden Plans to Be World's First Oil-Free Economy<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0208-05.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0208-05.htm<p>
Sweden is to take the biggest energy step of any advanced western economy by trying to wean itself off oil completely within 15 years - without building a new generation of nuclear power stations.</p></a></p></strong></p>
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Sweden is to take the biggest energy step of any advanced western economy by trying to wean itself off oil completely within 15 years - without building a new generation of nuclear power stations.</p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Per Kurowski</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 16:13:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Yeah, yeah, you'll quit the habit a thousand times</strong></p><p>Quitting oil should be easy for Americans, the way they're going at it they will as Mark Twain said be able do it a thousand times. Analyzing what now seems to be on the table for battling the habit of oil reminds only of low intention new-year promises to quit smoking, using low tar cigarettes or nicotine patches. Before politicians openly dare to express the need for a substantial federal tax on the consumption of gas, no one needs to believe a jota in their determination. But, what about cars with lower gas consumption? Well that just reinforces the current no-public-transport-model that will just make all withdrawal symptoms so much worse when because of doctor's orders the country finally has no choice but to quit.</p>
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				<p><strong>Yeah, yeah, you'll quit the habit a thousand times</strong></p><p>Quitting oil should be easy for Americans, the way they're going at it they will as Mark Twain said be able do it a thousand times. Analyzing what now seems to be on the table for battling the habit of oil reminds only of low intention new-year promises to quit smoking, using low tar cigarettes or nicotine patches. Before politicians openly dare to express the need for a substantial federal tax on the consumption of gas, no one needs to believe a jota in their determination. But, what about cars with lower gas consumption? Well that just reinforces the current no-public-transport-model that will just make all withdrawal symptoms so much worse when because of doctor's orders the country finally has no choice but to quit.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by kmp</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 02:48:02 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Addiction vs Choice</strong></p><p>I agree with Dave that addiction isn't quite the correct term. &nbsp;True addiction is a pharmacological phenomenon that occurs when your body rebels against the lack of drug at a receptor, making you feel like utter crap unless you replenish the supply (i.e. score some more heroin). &nbsp;But even physical addiction involves a choice; you can choose to put up with the pain of withdrawal, you can choose to substitute another substance to lessen the impacts of your body's withdrawal (methadone, nicotine), you can choose to employ 'alternative' methods (yoga, acupuncture, herbs, etc) to get your body over it's physical addiction. &nbsp;But what are our choices as Americans for <strong>not</strong> using fossil fuels? &nbsp;You might as well say we are addicted to breathing - "You, there, yes you! &nbsp;You are taking in precious oxygen and spewing out vile CO2 with every breath! &nbsp;Do the planet a favor and kill yourself now!"</p><p>
The only true fossil-fuel-free choice that exists in the country right now is to live a hunter/gatherer lifestyle (as our food chain is driven by fossil fuels) in a home with no power or that is completely off the grid; &nbsp;not exactly practical for Joe &amp; Jane Public. &nbsp;Even the clothes that we wear, toilet paper, toothpaste, eyeglasses and aspirin - I would venture to say it is virtually impossible to live a completely fossil-fuel-free existence in this country.</p><p>
So of course I am addicted to oil. I'm "addicted" to air too. &nbsp;Give me a choice beyond oil and we'll see how quickly the "addiction" fades.</p>
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				<p><strong>Addiction vs Choice</strong></p><p>I agree with Dave that addiction isn't quite the correct term. &nbsp;True addiction is a pharmacological phenomenon that occurs when your body rebels against the lack of drug at a receptor, making you feel like utter crap unless you replenish the supply (i.e. score some more heroin). &nbsp;But even physical addiction involves a choice; you can choose to put up with the pain of withdrawal, you can choose to substitute another substance to lessen the impacts of your body's withdrawal (methadone, nicotine), you can choose to employ 'alternative' methods (yoga, acupuncture, herbs, etc) to get your body over it's physical addiction. &nbsp;But what are our choices as Americans for <strong>not</strong> using fossil fuels? &nbsp;You might as well say we are addicted to breathing - "You, there, yes you! &nbsp;You are taking in precious oxygen and spewing out vile CO2 with every breath! &nbsp;Do the planet a favor and kill yourself now!"</p><p>
The only true fossil-fuel-free choice that exists in the country right now is to live a hunter/gatherer lifestyle (as our food chain is driven by fossil fuels) in a home with no power or that is completely off the grid; &nbsp;not exactly practical for Joe &amp; Jane Public. &nbsp;Even the clothes that we wear, toilet paper, toothpaste, eyeglasses and aspirin - I would venture to say it is virtually impossible to live a completely fossil-fuel-free existence in this country.</p><p>
So of course I am addicted to oil. I'm "addicted" to air too. &nbsp;Give me a choice beyond oil and we'll see how quickly the "addiction" fades.</p>
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