<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for McCain names his energy plan and bashes Barack Obama while he’s at it]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Sean Casten http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:45:19 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/1 Lexington? Bah!

Bunch of Massachusetts liberals!

]]> Lexington? Bah!

Bunch of Massachusetts liberals!

]]> Comment #2 by BFR74 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:16:37 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/2 Terrible Ad

That ad was awful.  If you blindfolded me and just had me listen to the audio and asked me who sponsored it, I'd really have a hard time guessing.  

]]> Terrible Ad

That ad was awful.  If you blindfolded me and just had me listen to the audio and asked me who sponsored it, I'd really have a hard time guessing.  

]]> Comment #3 by morganmghee http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:02:23 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/3 This Proves It

The Republicans really don't like their candidate, letting him run on an energy/environment platform that has been rejected in this country for 15 years.  A good number of the oil lobbyists have flipped over to contributing to the Dem's in anticipation of the new administration, they couldn't even spare enough for a decent commercial.

]]> This Proves It

The Republicans really don't like their candidate, letting him run on an energy/environment platform that has been rejected in this country for 15 years.  A good number of the oil lobbyists have flipped over to contributing to the Dem's in anticipation of the new administration, they couldn't even spare enough for a decent commercial.

]]> Comment #4 by David Roberts http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:08:06 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/4 Wow

That's just awful. "Obama rejects McCain's silliest energy gimmicks!" Honestly, if the Obama campaign made that video I'd think it was effective.

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That's just awful. "Obama rejects McCain's silliest energy gimmicks!" Honestly, if the Obama campaign made that video I'd think it was effective.

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]]> Comment #5 by Sean Casten http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:20:05 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/5 No kidding

I should have watched the video before my first comment.  It's worse than I thought!

Apropos of nothing except that it's funny (and probably something else that Dr. No is opposed to), this made me laugh.

]]> No kidding

I should have watched the video before my first comment.  It's worse than I thought!

Apropos of nothing except that it's funny (and probably something else that Dr. No is opposed to), this made me laugh.

]]> Comment #6 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:56:48 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/6 The scary thing

I thought that was a Youtube only thing made by some blogger.

Until I saw the "Paid for by John McCain 2008".

Message asside, the production quality on that video was horrible.

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That said, what pisses me off is that Obama is letting McCain get away with this oil drilling fiasco.

Which yesterday McCain (once again) mentioned how his new Oil plan would only amount to a "psychological benefit".
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/24/mccain-psychological- ...

Even though the report put out by the Fed last week or so points that the impact of drilling for oil would not only be non-existent now, but it would be insignificant in the future.  And they extend their projections all the way out till 2030!
http://theoildrum.com/node/4174

The thing most Americans fail to realize is that when they say oil is "Trading at $140 a barrel".  That that price is GLOBAL.  Every country pays the same price for a barrel of oil!!!!

So in order to make a dent in the global commodity price, (For which we pay!) you have to make a supply increased thats larger on a global scale.

And then PRAY that Saudi/Venezuela/Russia/etc don't cut back their daily production rate by the same amount as your increase.

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This is very similar to McCain's gas tax holiday, except that it's significantly more complex, and less bluntly obvious to be a total gimmick.



]]> The scary thing

I thought that was a Youtube only thing made by some blogger.

Until I saw the "Paid for by John McCain 2008".

Message asside, the production quality on that video was horrible.

_

That said, what pisses me off is that Obama is letting McCain get away with this oil drilling fiasco.

Which yesterday McCain (once again) mentioned how his new Oil plan would only amount to a "psychological benefit".
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/24/mccain-psychological- ...

Even though the report put out by the Fed last week or so points that the impact of drilling for oil would not only be non-existent now, but it would be insignificant in the future.  And they extend their projections all the way out till 2030!
http://theoildrum.com/node/4174

The thing most Americans fail to realize is that when they say oil is "Trading at $140 a barrel".  That that price is GLOBAL.  Every country pays the same price for a barrel of oil!!!!

So in order to make a dent in the global commodity price, (For which we pay!) you have to make a supply increased thats larger on a global scale.

And then PRAY that Saudi/Venezuela/Russia/etc don't cut back their daily production rate by the same amount as your increase.

_

This is very similar to McCain's gas tax holiday, except that it's significantly more complex, and less bluntly obvious to be a total gimmick.



]]> Comment #7 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:05:39 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/7 heh

this made me laugh.
Oh come now, thats easy to top ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9jA-FGGd8

]]> heh

this made me laugh.
Oh come now, thats easy to top ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9jA-FGGd8

]]> Comment #8 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:47:34 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/8 Gina Sanchez, California Endowment

On the effect of unregulated trading (speculation) on oil prices.  It creates demand nearly equal to the demand China has in oil markets.  Hmmm, wonder if that raises prices?  

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=779174815&play= ...

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Gina Sanchez, California Endowment

On the effect of unregulated trading (speculation) on oil prices.  It creates demand nearly equal to the demand China has in oil markets.  Hmmm, wonder if that raises prices?  

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=779174815&play= ...

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Comment #9 by KenG http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:28:20 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/9 Trading Impact

It would seem to me that trading (regulated or unregulated) can only make a temporary fluctuation in price. The contracts must always be closed with delivery.

On the other hand, permanent price increases can be the result only of true commodity shortage or monopoly/cartel/government action to restrict supply or set prices. Traders do not have the necessary supply control to have a long term impact on prices.

If the current bubble is really due to trading manipulation, hang on to your SUV. Prices will be back down within 6 months. (I'm not betting on that.)

]]> Trading Impact

It would seem to me that trading (regulated or unregulated) can only make a temporary fluctuation in price. The contracts must always be closed with delivery.

On the other hand, permanent price increases can be the result only of true commodity shortage or monopoly/cartel/government action to restrict supply or set prices. Traders do not have the necessary supply control to have a long term impact on prices.

If the current bubble is really due to trading manipulation, hang on to your SUV. Prices will be back down within 6 months. (I'm not betting on that.)

]]> Comment #10 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/ Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:08:10 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-pot-shot-heard-round-the-world/10 Yes Ken

That does represent the "conventional wisdom".  An oxymoron for sure.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Yes Ken

That does represent the "conventional wisdom".  An oxymoron for sure.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

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