<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Glacial melting is accelerating more quickly than projected]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/the-phrase-glacial-change-needs-to-be-retired/ Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:45:21 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-phrase-glacial-change-needs-to-be-retired/1 Naturogenic Powers Not Accounted for


Looks like the models are aren't accounting for the real driver -- naturogenic global heating (NGH).

John Bailo
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Looks like the models are aren't accounting for the real driver -- naturogenic global heating (NGH).

John Bailo
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]]> Comment #2 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/the-phrase-glacial-change-needs-to-be-retired/ Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:27:46 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-phrase-glacial-change-needs-to-be-retired/2 Heh

If we go off just the natural factors we should be cooling right now.

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If we go off just the natural factors we should be cooling right now.

]]> Comment #3 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/the-phrase-glacial-change-needs-to-be-retired/ Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:15:54 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-phrase-glacial-change-needs-to-be-retired/3 Don't feed the troll...

it only encourages him.  

Actually "Glacial Change" is absolutely appropriate if what you mean by that is suddenly dropping into a deep crevasse where things are completely different than your old regime.

Appropriately in both Iceland and Greenland it is possible to fall through a moulin in a Glacier and drop into boiling hot volcanic springs. I think that's the kind of "Glacial Change" that we should expect.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Don't feed the troll...

it only encourages him.  

Actually "Glacial Change" is absolutely appropriate if what you mean by that is suddenly dropping into a deep crevasse where things are completely different than your old regime.

Appropriately in both Iceland and Greenland it is possible to fall through a moulin in a Glacier and drop into boiling hot volcanic springs. I think that's the kind of "Glacial Change" that we should expect.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Comment #4 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/the-phrase-glacial-change-needs-to-be-retired/ Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:50:31 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-phrase-glacial-change-needs-to-be-retired/4 4 to 1, 1 to 4 - no one gets out of here alive


If we go off just the natural factors we should be cooling right now.

Solar factors have a forcing of 4, whereas CO2 forcing affects should be reduced to make the models work.

Estimation of the solar fraction
and Svensmark factor:

http://www.john-daly.com/fraction/fraction.htm

John Bailo
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]]> 4 to 1, 1 to 4 - no one gets out of here alive


If we go off just the natural factors we should be cooling right now.

Solar factors have a forcing of 4, whereas CO2 forcing affects should be reduced to make the models work.

Estimation of the solar fraction
and Svensmark factor:

http://www.john-daly.com/fraction/fraction.htm

John Bailo
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