<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for <em>The New York Times</em>’ absurd energy editorial]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by GreenHick http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/ Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:56:12 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/1 This dog doesn't hunt

The piece is yet another NYT outrage. I'm not entirely sure whether you were actually expecting the NYT to come anywhere close to serving a democracy's critical need for viable knowledge.

This is not the NYT's function any longer. If it ever was. Their job, I believe, is to neutralize change from below while helping to make the empire governable by the smallest possible group that demonstrates its commitment to seizing power and preventing its devolution to the people.

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The piece is yet another NYT outrage. I'm not entirely sure whether you were actually expecting the NYT to come anywhere close to serving a democracy's critical need for viable knowledge.

This is not the NYT's function any longer. If it ever was. Their job, I believe, is to neutralize change from below while helping to make the empire governable by the smallest possible group that demonstrates its commitment to seizing power and preventing its devolution to the people.

]]> Comment #2 by ids http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/ Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:35:37 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/2 duh

Compared with his slightly hysterical opponent, Mr. Obama had been making good sense on energy questions.

That seems balanced enough from NYTimes.  You are so emotional defending the Democrats presumptive nominee, you fail to see the balance in an opinion and dishonest condidate right in front of your nose.  No wonder the government is in such a mess, considering the testimony they get from kids in food fight, beside the crappy media.

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Compared with his slightly hysterical opponent, Mr. Obama had been making good sense on energy questions.

That seems balanced enough from NYTimes.  You are so emotional defending the Democrats presumptive nominee, you fail to see the balance in an opinion and dishonest condidate right in front of your nose.  No wonder the government is in such a mess, considering the testimony they get from kids in food fight, beside the crappy media.

]]> Comment #3 by Bart Anderson http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/ Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:18:54 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/3 Not an attack, but reality

I thought the New York Times editorial was very good. They say what no candidate can say at the moment: We must have high gas prices, if we are to have a chance of kicking our oil addiction.

I don't see this as an attack on Obama at all. After all, they say: Compared with his slightly hysterical opponent, Mr. Obama had been making good sense on energy questions, and his recent speeches had included a menu of proposals for energy efficiency, conservation, alternative fuels and new technologies

Obama is under pressure about oil, as David noted, and has to trim some of his positions. That's political reality. No reason to get excited.

I don't think "record prices" are a good reason to start tapping into the SPR. It sends the message that the government will step in to keep prices low.  Wrong message. The message should be - we will help with conservation and alternate sources, but we have to accept the reality that the age of cheap oil is over.

Bart
Energy Bulletin

]]> Not an attack, but reality

I thought the New York Times editorial was very good. They say what no candidate can say at the moment: We must have high gas prices, if we are to have a chance of kicking our oil addiction.

I don't see this as an attack on Obama at all. After all, they say: Compared with his slightly hysterical opponent, Mr. Obama had been making good sense on energy questions, and his recent speeches had included a menu of proposals for energy efficiency, conservation, alternative fuels and new technologies

Obama is under pressure about oil, as David noted, and has to trim some of his positions. That's political reality. No reason to get excited.

I don't think "record prices" are a good reason to start tapping into the SPR. It sends the message that the government will step in to keep prices low.  Wrong message. The message should be - we will help with conservation and alternate sources, but we have to accept the reality that the age of cheap oil is over.

Bart
Energy Bulletin

]]> Comment #4 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/ Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:11:15 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/4 Obama's Policy: Steal McCain's

Obama will continue his strategy:

Hold on to a stupid policy until all the world exposes it...then adopt a McCain policy.

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Obama will continue his strategy:

Hold on to a stupid policy until all the world exposes it...then adopt a McCain policy.

]]> Comment #5 by Wolverine http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/ Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:17:58 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/5 What's Wrong With This?

Joseph,

I don't see at all what your objections are to this editorial.  As Bart said, high gas prices are a good thing, and Americans need to be told to greatly reduce consumption, not that the government will help them continue to overconsume.  I agree that the NYT has been grossly biased in favor of McCain, but this editorial is not one that I'd consider objectionable.

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Joseph,

I don't see at all what your objections are to this editorial.  As Bart said, high gas prices are a good thing, and Americans need to be told to greatly reduce consumption, not that the government will help them continue to overconsume.  I agree that the NYT has been grossly biased in favor of McCain, but this editorial is not one that I'd consider objectionable.

]]> Comment #6 by stevenearlsalmony http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/ Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:13:54 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/6 Will the NYT ever discuss.......

.......the human overpopulation of Earth with the kind of concentrated and sustained attention this looming threat to humanity deserves?

The widely shared and consensually-validated belief in the overall decline in absolute global human population numbers in our time, leading to population stabilization worldwide in 2050, is simply and straightforwardly a specious, inadequate product of preternatural thought as well as a colossal misperception. Many too many powerbrokers inside and outside the manmade global political economy have actively supported the unrealistic belief in population stabilization because it has proven to be politically convenient, economically expedient and supportive of their selfish interests.

According to new, unwelcome, unchallenged and apparently unforeseen scientific evidence of the human overpopulation of Earth, we can understand the growth or decline of the population numbers of the human species primarily as a function of global food supply. This means that human population dynamics of the human species is essentially common to, not different from, the population dynamics of other species. From a global or species perspective, more food equals more people; less food equals less people; and, in any case, no food equals no people.

Please consider this request.  Could someone at the NYTimes ask top-rank scientists to carefully and skillfully examine the emerging science of human population dynamics and report their findings?

Sincerely,

Steve

Steven Earl Salmony
AWAREness Campaign on the Human Population, established 2001
http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/index.php

]]> Will the NYT ever discuss.......

.......the human overpopulation of Earth with the kind of concentrated and sustained attention this looming threat to humanity deserves?

The widely shared and consensually-validated belief in the overall decline in absolute global human population numbers in our time, leading to population stabilization worldwide in 2050, is simply and straightforwardly a specious, inadequate product of preternatural thought as well as a colossal misperception. Many too many powerbrokers inside and outside the manmade global political economy have actively supported the unrealistic belief in population stabilization because it has proven to be politically convenient, economically expedient and supportive of their selfish interests.

According to new, unwelcome, unchallenged and apparently unforeseen scientific evidence of the human overpopulation of Earth, we can understand the growth or decline of the population numbers of the human species primarily as a function of global food supply. This means that human population dynamics of the human species is essentially common to, not different from, the population dynamics of other species. From a global or species perspective, more food equals more people; less food equals less people; and, in any case, no food equals no people.

Please consider this request.  Could someone at the NYTimes ask top-rank scientists to carefully and skillfully examine the emerging science of human population dynamics and report their findings?

Sincerely,

Steve

Steven Earl Salmony
AWAREness Campaign on the Human Population, established 2001
http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/index.php

]]> Comment #7 by Wolverine http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/ Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:00:59 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/7 Food & Population

Steve,

This subject is totally off point for this post, so I'll make this short.  The knowledge that human population is limited by food and expands as food does is not new.  The human overpopulation problem began as soon as people discovered agriculture, which brought them more food.  This happened 10-12,000 years ago.  Unfortunately, both agriculture and overpopulation come at the expense of the rest of the planet, so therein lies the problem.

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Steve,

This subject is totally off point for this post, so I'll make this short.  The knowledge that human population is limited by food and expands as food does is not new.  The human overpopulation problem began as soon as people discovered agriculture, which brought them more food.  This happened 10-12,000 years ago.  Unfortunately, both agriculture and overpopulation come at the expense of the rest of the planet, so therein lies the problem.

]]> Comment #8 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/ Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:30:04 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/8 You wanna see the Murdoch effect?

Check CNN.  Incredible propaganda behind flex fuel, fuel farming, nuclear power, and so forth.

They are trying to become "fair and balanced" to compete on ratings with fauxnews.

The NYT is responding to the new print version of fauxnews, the Wall Street journal, recently overhauled by Murdoch, with firings of (politically incorrect?) editors.  They are "fair and balance" ratings  hungry too now.

Some good news from media too though.

  The post office is losing money because flex fuel ethanol vehicles have poor mileage, less miles per corn cob, so they have delayed their purchase until 2013.

Will they go plugin hybrid?  Maybe with Obama in command.

Nevada utility using smart grid load timing to lower peak cooling demand.  Will customers buy it?  Only if it saves them money.  

Cooling systems would be better switched to ground circulation that stores cold in the building mass itself (at night for the 24 hour cycle) to really reduce cooling driven peak demand dramatically.  That will save money and get consumers to buy into it.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> You wanna see the Murdoch effect?

Check CNN.  Incredible propaganda behind flex fuel, fuel farming, nuclear power, and so forth.

They are trying to become "fair and balanced" to compete on ratings with fauxnews.

The NYT is responding to the new print version of fauxnews, the Wall Street journal, recently overhauled by Murdoch, with firings of (politically incorrect?) editors.  They are "fair and balance" ratings  hungry too now.

Some good news from media too though.

  The post office is losing money because flex fuel ethanol vehicles have poor mileage, less miles per corn cob, so they have delayed their purchase until 2013.

Will they go plugin hybrid?  Maybe with Obama in command.

Nevada utility using smart grid load timing to lower peak cooling demand.  Will customers buy it?  Only if it saves them money.  

Cooling systems would be better switched to ground circulation that stores cold in the building mass itself (at night for the 24 hour cycle) to really reduce cooling driven peak demand dramatically.  That will save money and get consumers to buy into it.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Comment #9 by stevenearlsalmony http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/ Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:50:57 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-paper-of-discord/9 Dear Wolverine....

Thanks for your comments.  

Could you or perhaps others in the Gristmill community direct me to threads and blogs where I might expect to find "sustainable" discussions on the topic of the human overpopulation of Earth and the potentially profound implications of unrestrained overconsumption, unbridled overproduction and unregulated propagation activities by the human species on the surface of our planetary home?

Sincerely,

Steve

]]> Dear Wolverine....

Thanks for your comments.  

Could you or perhaps others in the Gristmill community direct me to threads and blogs where I might expect to find "sustainable" discussions on the topic of the human overpopulation of Earth and the potentially profound implications of unrestrained overconsumption, unbridled overproduction and unregulated propagation activities by the human species on the surface of our planetary home?

Sincerely,

Steve

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