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            <title>Comment #1 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:19:27 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Never let them drill for oil&quot;<p>That has been a truism quoted in science fiction circles for some time now. The easy ride, the big resource hit that isn't based upon education or labor is just too tempting for the big fish. <p>
The countries where people are happiest are places where education is free, skills are valued and economic survival of the whole society depends upon cooperative effort. <p>
Ultimately the whole world will be divided between gardens and wild preserve. If we're not careful there won't be humans here to observe it. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Never let them drill for oil&quot;<p>That has been a truism quoted in science fiction circles for some time now. The easy ride, the big resource hit that isn't based upon education or labor is just too tempting for the big fish. <p>
The countries where people are happiest are places where education is free, skills are valued and economic survival of the whole society depends upon cooperative effort. <p>
Ultimately the whole world will be divided between gardens and wild preserve. If we're not careful there won't be humans here to observe it. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:59:13 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Beaux esprits se recontrent.,</strong></p><p>apre`s un peu de temps.</p><p>
Donnons-leur un peu de temps.</p><p>
N'est-ce pas?</p><p>
One might think that there is plenty of evidence for environmentalist anti-global-warming anti-fossil-fuel-exploitation activists, to find that they have common cause with social-justicist pro-woman activists.</p><p>
So?, how stupid are they all? &nbsp;What the hell is taking everybody so long to recognize that they are all really fighting on the same side?

<p>Chickens are our cousins!  So are fish!  So are other sentient animals!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Beaux esprits se recontrent.,</strong></p><p>apre`s un peu de temps.</p><p>
Donnons-leur un peu de temps.</p><p>
N'est-ce pas?</p><p>
One might think that there is plenty of evidence for environmentalist anti-global-warming anti-fossil-fuel-exploitation activists, to find that they have common cause with social-justicist pro-woman activists.</p><p>
So?, how stupid are they all? &nbsp;What the hell is taking everybody so long to recognize that they are all really fighting on the same side?

<p>Chickens are our cousins!  So are fish!  So are other sentient animals!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:13:32 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wolfi<p>Now this explains why Wolfi was appointed head of the world bank. &nbsp;Extract nore billions for extractive industries, like mining, oil drilling, and logging in under developed countries.<p>
If you want to see how this whole mess leaves women and children to fend for themselves, check out "Darwin's Nightmare".<p>
<a href="http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/2/7/3509998.html" rel="nofollow">http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/2/7/3 ...<p>
Very few jobs are created and the only jobs that support a family are military jobs. &nbsp;Murdering the local population to clear the way for corporate kleptocracy. &nbsp;Who gets gang raped, tortured, and murdered first? &nbsp;Women and children.<p>
And the fat pigs like Wolfi sit on their thrones directing the hell on earth. &nbsp;Using local Idi Amin clones to direct the action on the ground.<p>
&nbsp; Turn Wolfi and Idi into soylent green pork sausage, to feed the starving? &nbsp;Better yet feed them to the armies...alive. &nbsp;No punishment would really be severe enough for the crimes they commit, but this would be a start.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Wolfi<p>Now this explains why Wolfi was appointed head of the world bank. &nbsp;Extract nore billions for extractive industries, like mining, oil drilling, and logging in under developed countries.<p>
If you want to see how this whole mess leaves women and children to fend for themselves, check out "Darwin's Nightmare".<p>
<a href="http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/2/7/3509998.html" rel="nofollow">http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/2/7/3 ...<p>
Very few jobs are created and the only jobs that support a family are military jobs. &nbsp;Murdering the local population to clear the way for corporate kleptocracy. &nbsp;Who gets gang raped, tortured, and murdered first? &nbsp;Women and children.<p>
And the fat pigs like Wolfi sit on their thrones directing the hell on earth. &nbsp;Using local Idi Amin clones to direct the action on the ground.<p>
&nbsp; Turn Wolfi and Idi into soylent green pork sausage, to feed the starving? &nbsp;Better yet feed them to the armies...alive. &nbsp;No punishment would really be severe enough for the crimes they commit, but this would be a start.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Angry African</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:16:59 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Resources - and what about climate change?<p>Africa might suffer more from the changing climate than any other continent. Especially because of the lack of social safety nets provided by governments. Is there a solution for Africa when they have so much else to focus on - health, poverty, war and hunger? Or are we caught in a Catch 22 with no sustainable solutions? More on this in my blog at <a href="http://angryafrican.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/solving-the-changing-african-climate-a-catch-22/" rel="nofollow">http://angryafrican.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/solving-the- ...</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Resources - and what about climate change?<p>Africa might suffer more from the changing climate than any other continent. Especially because of the lack of social safety nets provided by governments. Is there a solution for Africa when they have so much else to focus on - health, poverty, war and hunger? Or are we caught in a Catch 22 with no sustainable solutions? More on this in my blog at <a href="http://angryafrican.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/solving-the-changing-african-climate-a-catch-22/" rel="nofollow">http://angryafrican.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/solving-the- ...</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by gzuckier</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:12:47 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>tis true</strong></p><p>no country whose economy is based on petroleum has a decent political system, and that includes Texas and Alberta.</p>
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				<p><strong>tis true</strong></p><p>no country whose economy is based on petroleum has a decent political system, and that includes Texas and Alberta.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Yasmina</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:52:18 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Surely You Jest</strong></p><p><br>
It's not the oil, it's the HADITH, which make up 90% of shari'a law. It is perhaps true that the West can more easily strong-arm the Middle East into some decent treatment of us, but shari'a law is spreading even to places where there's not a drop of oil -- pushed by radical imams and men who can't wait for an excuse to completely dominate women -- and all the better if you can claim GOD or ALLAH agrees.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Surely You Jest</strong></p><p><br>
It's not the oil, it's the HADITH, which make up 90% of shari'a law. It is perhaps true that the West can more easily strong-arm the Middle East into some decent treatment of us, but shari'a law is spreading even to places where there's not a drop of oil -- pushed by radical imams and men who can't wait for an excuse to completely dominate women -- and all the better if you can claim GOD or ALLAH agrees.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by GreenMom</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:44:22 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Yasmina</strong></p><p>I'm sure you're right, but why isn't the larger point still valid? &nbsp;In countries whose economies depend on diverse income sources, it's more likely that wealth and income will be spread more evenly. It's also more likely that those countries will have incentive to better educate the populace, including (crucially) girls, which is a catalyst for less radicalism, right? </p><p>
In countries where wealth is concentrated, such as oil-rich countries, isn't the government's incentive to keep society closed economically (and not to educate the populace, especially girls)? &nbsp;Because those countries retain huge wealth disparities, wouldn't they breed radicalism more easily?</p><p>
Please tell me if I'm missing something -- I'm not an expert in this area. &nbsp;The examples that spring to my mind are countries like Jordan and Egypt (no oil, better educated populace) vs. Saudi Arabia.</p><p>
On the other hand, I don't understand how radicalism takes hold in the middle class, but clearly there is some of that going on too.</p>
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				<p><strong>Yasmina</strong></p><p>I'm sure you're right, but why isn't the larger point still valid? &nbsp;In countries whose economies depend on diverse income sources, it's more likely that wealth and income will be spread more evenly. It's also more likely that those countries will have incentive to better educate the populace, including (crucially) girls, which is a catalyst for less radicalism, right? </p><p>
In countries where wealth is concentrated, such as oil-rich countries, isn't the government's incentive to keep society closed economically (and not to educate the populace, especially girls)? &nbsp;Because those countries retain huge wealth disparities, wouldn't they breed radicalism more easily?</p><p>
Please tell me if I'm missing something -- I'm not an expert in this area. &nbsp;The examples that spring to my mind are countries like Jordan and Egypt (no oil, better educated populace) vs. Saudi Arabia.</p><p>
On the other hand, I don't understand how radicalism takes hold in the middle class, but clearly there is some of that going on too.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Gabriel</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:46:00 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Believe the Author is Wrong</strong></p><p>Muslim women were, by and large, always kept 'in their place' by the precepts of the religion long before oil became a world issue in the 20th century. &nbsp;It isn't inherent in the fact that a natural resource like oil is found in many couies, but that the foundations of a country with an Islamic background tend to follow certain morays. </p><p>
There are quite a few countries in the world that don't have oil, are muslim (and non-muslim, and keep their women under the men's thumb (Afghanitan, Morocco, many nations in sub-Sahara Afrique, etc.) &nbsp;</p><p>
Don't blame it on the oil, blame it on one group who don't adequately respect another group (Men &amp; Women). </p>
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				<p><strong>Believe the Author is Wrong</strong></p><p>Muslim women were, by and large, always kept 'in their place' by the precepts of the religion long before oil became a world issue in the 20th century. &nbsp;It isn't inherent in the fact that a natural resource like oil is found in many couies, but that the foundations of a country with an Islamic background tend to follow certain morays. </p><p>
There are quite a few countries in the world that don't have oil, are muslim (and non-muslim, and keep their women under the men's thumb (Afghanitan, Morocco, many nations in sub-Sahara Afrique, etc.) &nbsp;</p><p>
Don't blame it on the oil, blame it on one group who don't adequately respect another group (Men &amp; Women). </p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Gabriel</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:50:17 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Renounce Your Hate</strong></p><p>There are many things done in the world that are reprehensible, and they should be resisted. &nbsp;</p><p>
It doesn't help make your case for you to spout hate like you've done in your comment, amazingdrx. &nbsp;Let that kind of thing be stated in other, less elegant, sites. &nbsp;Keep this one as free as possible from that venom. </p>
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				<p><strong>Renounce Your Hate</strong></p><p>There are many things done in the world that are reprehensible, and they should be resisted. &nbsp;</p><p>
It doesn't help make your case for you to spout hate like you've done in your comment, amazingdrx. &nbsp;Let that kind of thing be stated in other, less elegant, sites. &nbsp;Keep this one as free as possible from that venom. </p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:39:41 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Right Gabriel</strong></p><p>Even Idi and Wolfi desreve forgiveness? &nbsp;that's true.</p><p>
But to continually place monsters like this in charge of the life and death of the innocent is pathological, wouldn't you agree?</p><p>
A nice productive job in prison would be forgiveness enough, and it would protect the rest of us. &nbsp;I am not in favor of the death penalty, even for mass muderers like this.</p><p>
Non-violence is the only way to defeat the masters of war.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Right Gabriel</strong></p><p>Even Idi and Wolfi desreve forgiveness? &nbsp;that's true.</p><p>
But to continually place monsters like this in charge of the life and death of the innocent is pathological, wouldn't you agree?</p><p>
A nice productive job in prison would be forgiveness enough, and it would protect the rest of us. &nbsp;I am not in favor of the death penalty, even for mass muderers like this.</p><p>
Non-violence is the only way to defeat the masters of war.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by RealWorldCalling</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:52:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Oil and the status of women in the Middle East</strong></p><p>What explaination do you people have for 'this' treatment of women in Islamic countries prior to the industrial revolution, let alone the development of the petro-chemical industries?</p><p>
Even before Muhammad had his cave 'visions' the Bedouin tribes had evolved this sexist caste system. Muhammad and Islam merely took advantage of the opportunity and perfected the techniques of sexual exploitation.</p><p>
If OIL is the cause explain the low level of women in Islamic societies that are not reliant on oil. If oil is THE CAUSE how come women in Mexico and Venezuela are treated as inhumanly as they are in Islamic societies?</p><p>
Any body want to buy a bridge cheap?

<p>Trying to prevent too much GORE in the world. There is nothing 'CORRECT' in PC.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Oil and the status of women in the Middle East</strong></p><p>What explaination do you people have for 'this' treatment of women in Islamic countries prior to the industrial revolution, let alone the development of the petro-chemical industries?</p><p>
Even before Muhammad had his cave 'visions' the Bedouin tribes had evolved this sexist caste system. Muhammad and Islam merely took advantage of the opportunity and perfected the techniques of sexual exploitation.</p><p>
If OIL is the cause explain the low level of women in Islamic societies that are not reliant on oil. If oil is THE CAUSE how come women in Mexico and Venezuela are treated as inhumanly as they are in Islamic societies?</p><p>
Any body want to buy a bridge cheap?

<p>Trying to prevent too much GORE in the world. There is nothing 'CORRECT' in PC.</p></p>
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