<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for The fight over coal heads to a climax in Kansas]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by wesrolley http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:36:24 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/1 Choosing History's Side

David, you had the wording right.  It is like Lincoln who declined to state that we were on God's side but fervently wished that this country was on God's side.

In this battle over Global Warming, we can all hope to be on history's side, but most of the hot air seems to be rising from other campfires.

Architecture 2030 made stopping coal a priority.  Any new coal fired plant in unacceptable. Current mountain top removal practices are unacceptable.

We know that much can be accomplished by executive order. We need a chief executive who will issue those orders (no more coal fired plants, no new nuclear plants, no more mountain top removal for coal mining, new EPA rules on CO2, SO2, mercury emissions.

I have very serious doubts that any of the three media recognized candidates are up to that task. However, I refer you to the new report from our committee:

Wes Rolley CoChair - EcoAction Committee Green Party US

]]> Choosing History's Side

David, you had the wording right.  It is like Lincoln who declined to state that we were on God's side but fervently wished that this country was on God's side.

In this battle over Global Warming, we can all hope to be on history's side, but most of the hot air seems to be rising from other campfires.

Architecture 2030 made stopping coal a priority.  Any new coal fired plant in unacceptable. Current mountain top removal practices are unacceptable.

We know that much can be accomplished by executive order. We need a chief executive who will issue those orders (no more coal fired plants, no new nuclear plants, no more mountain top removal for coal mining, new EPA rules on CO2, SO2, mercury emissions.

I have very serious doubts that any of the three media recognized candidates are up to that task. However, I refer you to the new report from our committee:

Wes Rolley CoChair - EcoAction Committee Green Party US

]]> Comment #2 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:15:09 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/2 5 cents a Kwh barrier breaking


No more arguments for coal:

http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9931422-54.html

[Sungri] has built a prototype device that magnifies light 1,600 times onto expensive germanium solar cells. The company intends to produce the devices in 12 to 15 months, and says they will capable of generating electricity at 5 cents a kilowatt hour--competitive with coal-fired power plants.

Texeme.Construct(Participant)



]]> 5 cents a Kwh barrier breaking


No more arguments for coal:

http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9931422-54.html

[Sungri] has built a prototype device that magnifies light 1,600 times onto expensive germanium solar cells. The company intends to produce the devices in 12 to 15 months, and says they will capable of generating electricity at 5 cents a kilowatt hour--competitive with coal-fired power plants.

Texeme.Construct(Participant)



]]> Comment #3 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:14:40 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/3 Here's another fun one

$8000/KW for Nuclear power :P
Such a deal
http://www.nirs.org/images/fplturkeypointcostchart.jpg

(Note: FutureGen was $6500/KW, and canceled because it was too expensive)

Also, another killer article that wraps up the issue quite nicely :P
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080512/parenti




]]> Here's another fun one

$8000/KW for Nuclear power :P
Such a deal
http://www.nirs.org/images/fplturkeypointcostchart.jpg

(Note: FutureGen was $6500/KW, and canceled because it was too expensive)

Also, another killer article that wraps up the issue quite nicely :P
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080512/parenti




]]> Comment #4 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:06:32 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/4 Farmers?

Simple farmers trying to keep the lights on?  Well then, try farm biogas electric power to backup a renewable grid.  Farm house!  Right arm!

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

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Simple farmers trying to keep the lights on?  Well then, try farm biogas electric power to backup a renewable grid.  Farm house!  Right arm!

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Comment #5 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:29:41 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/5 Dr. X

"Right arm"?  

Are you perhaps quoting a certain historical document published by Stewart Brand when he was still sane? Black and White, funny looking marble on the cover?

Sometimes I think I'm the only person who ever actually read those things.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Dr. X

"Right arm"?  

Are you perhaps quoting a certain historical document published by Stewart Brand when he was still sane? Black and White, funny looking marble on the cover?

Sometimes I think I'm the only person who ever actually read those things.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Comment #6 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:58:31 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/6 Hehey

Might be that's where it came from originally.  But I heard it from a coop mate, a radiant young beauty, on Henry Street, in that great melting pot of radical culture, Madison.  

It was post revolutionaty, droll satire of the generic political phrase, "right on, far out!".  

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Hehey

Might be that's where it came from originally.  But I heard it from a coop mate, a radiant young beauty, on Henry Street, in that great melting pot of radical culture, Madison.  

It was post revolutionaty, droll satire of the generic political phrase, "right on, far out!".  

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Comment #7 by rwelborn http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:50:37 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/7 Lights on?

I must be living in a hole out in the Big ol' City, because I had no idea that there are Brown/Blackouts in rural Kansas out there amongst you "farmers".  You and your High rise offices, pack wall to wall with computers fax machines etc.

Who said farmers even need electricity anyway? Farm all day, eat some corn and eggs, use the stars & candlelight to see at night, and when the rooster calls, you wake up and do it all over again...

Right Stevie?  

P.S. I've never met a coal farmer before.  How do you harvest your coal Steve, by tractor?  

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I must be living in a hole out in the Big ol' City, because I had no idea that there are Brown/Blackouts in rural Kansas out there amongst you "farmers".  You and your High rise offices, pack wall to wall with computers fax machines etc.

Who said farmers even need electricity anyway? Farm all day, eat some corn and eggs, use the stars & candlelight to see at night, and when the rooster calls, you wake up and do it all over again...

Right Stevie?  

P.S. I've never met a coal farmer before.  How do you harvest your coal Steve, by tractor?  

]]> Comment #8 by bloomar http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:42:39 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-latest-on-the-expensivest-cheap-power-around/8 Kansas Coal Plants

Hello from Kansas, eastern, where we hope these plants won't get built, cause guess who will get to the breathe that air?  Meanwhile, the energy is NOT for Kansans, MOST of it will be sold to Colorado.  Yes, that's right.  Colorado.  This is important.  

Western Kansas is hurting economically -- but at this point their representatives can only see coal as the answer.  Not a word about wind or converting cow dung or trash or sun to fuel.  Plenty of wind and sun in Kansas.  And cow dung, for that matter.

Contact Kathleen Sebelius, our governor -- she's standing tough.  And yes, if you want to encourage public officials to be brave and visionary and, well, smart, contact Rod Bremby, the man who said no.  Tell them thanks.  

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Hello from Kansas, eastern, where we hope these plants won't get built, cause guess who will get to the breathe that air?  Meanwhile, the energy is NOT for Kansans, MOST of it will be sold to Colorado.  Yes, that's right.  Colorado.  This is important.  

Western Kansas is hurting economically -- but at this point their representatives can only see coal as the answer.  Not a word about wind or converting cow dung or trash or sun to fuel.  Plenty of wind and sun in Kansas.  And cow dung, for that matter.

Contact Kathleen Sebelius, our governor -- she's standing tough.  And yes, if you want to encourage public officials to be brave and visionary and, well, smart, contact Rod Bremby, the man who said no.  Tell them thanks.  

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