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            <title>Comment #1 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:26:54 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>nice post</strong></p><p>I appreciate the detailed explanation of how this might be accomplished. I'm also a bit relieved to know my 1200 square foot house MIGHT fit into the grand scheme of things. I'm always left wondering what people consider a reasonable sized home. Sort of like discussions about salary... usually vague terms. Here, biodiversivist clearly presents several examples of homes and demonstrates that reducing our footprint does not mean we have to move into tiny insulated huts and term the thermostat down to 50 F.</p><p>
Federal or state subsidies for this sort of innovation -- though I think biodiversivist indicates it can all be done with existing technology -- would be a REAL economic stimulus package, support local economies, and great good jobs.</p><p>
I recently learned we might be able to add a photovoltaic system to our existing house for about $10,000. I still have to look into whether it would be possible to use solar energy to heat the house... I doubt it... it is about &nbsp;5 F right now. I hope biodiversivist futher develops the pre-fab optimize home, but would look forward to suggestions regarding how we might upgrade existing homes.</p><p>
Regarding McMansions, I heard an economists saying that it will become very difficult to sell them when current owners retire. Young folks just don't have the income to buy such monstrosities and, having smaller families, really don't need them. Perhaps McMansions will eventually be divided into multi-family housing. Biodiversivist's house should retain its value, especially as energy prices rise, much longer than a McMansion.</p><p>
Regarding "arms races", perhaps there is a way to employ social marketing to create a new "arms race" in which people compete for the right to brag about the lowest utility bill, maintenance costs for their home, or free time available to spend with their families.</p><p>
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				<p><strong>nice post</strong></p><p>I appreciate the detailed explanation of how this might be accomplished. I'm also a bit relieved to know my 1200 square foot house MIGHT fit into the grand scheme of things. I'm always left wondering what people consider a reasonable sized home. Sort of like discussions about salary... usually vague terms. Here, biodiversivist clearly presents several examples of homes and demonstrates that reducing our footprint does not mean we have to move into tiny insulated huts and term the thermostat down to 50 F.</p><p>
Federal or state subsidies for this sort of innovation -- though I think biodiversivist indicates it can all be done with existing technology -- would be a REAL economic stimulus package, support local economies, and great good jobs.</p><p>
I recently learned we might be able to add a photovoltaic system to our existing house for about $10,000. I still have to look into whether it would be possible to use solar energy to heat the house... I doubt it... it is about &nbsp;5 F right now. I hope biodiversivist futher develops the pre-fab optimize home, but would look forward to suggestions regarding how we might upgrade existing homes.</p><p>
Regarding McMansions, I heard an economists saying that it will become very difficult to sell them when current owners retire. Young folks just don't have the income to buy such monstrosities and, having smaller families, really don't need them. Perhaps McMansions will eventually be divided into multi-family housing. Biodiversivist's house should retain its value, especially as energy prices rise, much longer than a McMansion.</p><p>
Regarding "arms races", perhaps there is a way to employ social marketing to create a new "arms race" in which people compete for the right to brag about the lowest utility bill, maintenance costs for their home, or free time available to spend with their families.</p><p>
Thanks.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:39:46 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>yeah, nice post...</strong></p><p>...now all we need are BioD-type electric bikey things that fit a family of four, and a good computer model of the country with these houses, and I bet we could model a sustainable, close-to-zero-emission economy.</p><p>
I think 1200 sq feet should be adequate for even a family of four (although my wife might disagree) -- I believe that was the average (or median?) size of a house in 1970 .</p><p>
One question though: can you have a similar design for an apartment building? &nbsp;My thought is that, since you have much less roof space per person, an apartment building is much more efficient for heating and cooling -- plus you could have some economies of scale in terms of storage.</p>
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				<p><strong>yeah, nice post...</strong></p><p>...now all we need are BioD-type electric bikey things that fit a family of four, and a good computer model of the country with these houses, and I bet we could model a sustainable, close-to-zero-emission economy.</p><p>
I think 1200 sq feet should be adequate for even a family of four (although my wife might disagree) -- I believe that was the average (or median?) size of a house in 1970 .</p><p>
One question though: can you have a similar design for an apartment building? &nbsp;My thought is that, since you have much less roof space per person, an apartment building is much more efficient for heating and cooling -- plus you could have some economies of scale in terms of storage.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Quinn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:40:07 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>PVC</strong></p><p>PVC is a dangerous product and should be phased out of homes. &nbsp;It is debatable whether or not it has its place in society at all. &nbsp;It is dangerous to manufacture since it is known to cause angiosarcoma in PVC plant workers. &nbsp;It is dangerous to have in a home since in the event of a housefire, it can combust and create the unfathomably deadly chemical dioxin. &nbsp;PVC is extremely hard to recycle and does not break down. &nbsp;It will fill landfills and burden any society with cancers and birth defects for thousands of years.</p><p>
I am shocked that an alternative housing concept would employ this dangerous material.</p>
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				<p><strong>PVC</strong></p><p>PVC is a dangerous product and should be phased out of homes. &nbsp;It is debatable whether or not it has its place in society at all. &nbsp;It is dangerous to manufacture since it is known to cause angiosarcoma in PVC plant workers. &nbsp;It is dangerous to have in a home since in the event of a housefire, it can combust and create the unfathomably deadly chemical dioxin. &nbsp;PVC is extremely hard to recycle and does not break down. &nbsp;It will fill landfills and burden any society with cancers and birth defects for thousands of years.</p><p>
I am shocked that an alternative housing concept would employ this dangerous material.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:14:55 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Whoa, good catch, Quinn<p>I would edit that PVC to PV but I get an error message:<p>
"Attribute CLEAR for tag BR is not allowed" thanks to the a string of hyper text code that I can't post here in its entirety because it causes this post to fail as well!<p>
br clear="all"<p>
Hint to webmaster, or anyone who would like to help me edit this post...

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Whoa, good catch, Quinn<p>I would edit that PVC to PV but I get an error message:<p>
"Attribute CLEAR for tag BR is not allowed" thanks to the a string of hyper text code that I can't post here in its entirety because it causes this post to fail as well!<p>
br clear="all"<p>
Hint to webmaster, or anyone who would like to help me edit this post...

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by rhythm510</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:19:08 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>PVC comment</strong></p><p>Hey Quinn,</p><p>
Slow down there, big fella!</p><p>
In this article and subsequent comments, PVC is referring to photo-voltaic cells and not the poly(vinyl chloride) of which you are against.</p><p>
Photo-voltaic cells convert sunlight into electrical current and are sometimes called solar cells or solar panels. I assume that the reason these posters decided to use the term PVC is to distinguish the solar cells used to make electricity from those used to heat water or air.</p><p>
Hope this helps / makes some sense.</p>
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				<p><strong>PVC comment</strong></p><p>Hey Quinn,</p><p>
Slow down there, big fella!</p><p>
In this article and subsequent comments, PVC is referring to photo-voltaic cells and not the poly(vinyl chloride) of which you are against.</p><p>
Photo-voltaic cells convert sunlight into electrical current and are sometimes called solar cells or solar panels. I assume that the reason these posters decided to use the term PVC is to distinguish the solar cells used to make electricity from those used to heat water or air.</p><p>
Hope this helps / makes some sense.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by GreenOx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:26:42 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Another option to consider...<p>I enjoyed your application of solar technology and home design to Seattle, and I think it highlights an important underlying point: we need to better utilize our natural environment to power our lifestyles and decrease the impact that results. This comes through understanding that same natural environment.<p>
In my home state of Kansas, we get over 200 days a year of sun. While the use of solar technologies would be a very beneficial option for heating and powering our homes, there is another (and often underappreciated) way: passive solar. By designing our homes to increase light/heat flow in the winter and decreasing those inputs in the summer, we can significantly decrease the demand for heating and cooling systems. Solar and PV on a home's roof provides very little positive benefit if that home is inefficient and requires far more than it could truly need - it would be like putting a band-aid on a severed limb. But, if solar and PV are utilized in conjunction with smaller homes that harness passive solar design - especially in sunny places like Kansas - we could make a much bigger impact on our emissions.<p>
-GreenOx<br>
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				<p><strong>Another option to consider...<p>I enjoyed your application of solar technology and home design to Seattle, and I think it highlights an important underlying point: we need to better utilize our natural environment to power our lifestyles and decrease the impact that results. This comes through understanding that same natural environment.<p>
In my home state of Kansas, we get over 200 days a year of sun. While the use of solar technologies would be a very beneficial option for heating and powering our homes, there is another (and often underappreciated) way: passive solar. By designing our homes to increase light/heat flow in the winter and decreasing those inputs in the summer, we can significantly decrease the demand for heating and cooling systems. Solar and PV on a home's roof provides very little positive benefit if that home is inefficient and requires far more than it could truly need - it would be like putting a band-aid on a severed limb. But, if solar and PV are utilized in conjunction with smaller homes that harness passive solar design - especially in sunny places like Kansas - we could make a much bigger impact on our emissions.<p>
-GreenOx<br>
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<p>-GreenOx
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            <title>Comment #7 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:57:34 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I Was In One Yesterday<p><br>
I went house shopping yesterday, and I found exactly what you are describing -- but it was a Centex townhome in Kent Valley (at the base of 272nd). &nbsp; They are brand new, beautiful townhomes and they are selling for $230-$260,000.<p>
They are two stories, somewhat narrow -- but the two stories have high ceilings and the open plan makes it seem like there's a ton of space!

<p><a href="http://www.climate-resistance.org" rel="nofollow">Viva la Climate Resistance!</a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I Was In One Yesterday<p><br>
I went house shopping yesterday, and I found exactly what you are describing -- but it was a Centex townhome in Kent Valley (at the base of 272nd). &nbsp; They are brand new, beautiful townhomes and they are selling for $230-$260,000.<p>
They are two stories, somewhat narrow -- but the two stories have high ceilings and the open plan makes it seem like there's a ton of space!

<p><a href="http://www.climate-resistance.org" rel="nofollow">Viva la Climate Resistance!</a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Matt G</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:00:46 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>PowerPod<p><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/powerpod_small.php" rel="nofollow">Here's a company that doesn't go quite as far, but includes features like rainwater collection and passive heating. &nbsp;You can buy one today for around $100,000. &nbsp;They build it in a factory, drive it to your lot, and install it in a day.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>PowerPod<p><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/powerpod_small.php" rel="nofollow">Here's a company that doesn't go quite as far, but includes features like rainwater collection and passive heating. &nbsp;You can buy one today for around $100,000. &nbsp;They build it in a factory, drive it to your lot, and install it in a day.</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:12:09 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Fixed</strong></p><p>PVC changed to PV.</p><p>
Great post.

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Fixed</strong></p><p>PVC changed to PV.</p><p>
Great post.

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            <title>Comment #10 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:20:07 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>This is the way</strong></p><p>Tell it bio-d. &nbsp;This is a great topic with a recession looming that will make land prices go down, but the income to pay the mortgage and the mortgage itself harder to come by.</p><p>
Reduce home power needs to 200 watts, with geo heat exchange and heat pump, and solar heat and conservation. &nbsp;Smaller home, more efficient appliances and devices will do that.</p><p>
Maximize solar input with a large solar facing roof, incorporate a small wind system, and biogas digestor as backup. &nbsp;Design it to average 400 watts, with excess solar and wind electricity going back into the grid. &nbsp;That gives enough kwh to charge a plugin hybrid too.</p><p>
By adjusting home size, earth sheltering, and roof size, this should be feasible just about anywhere. &nbsp;</p><p>
Prefab too, that reduces cost. &nbsp;But an onsite custom built home using fiber cement with insulation built in might be cheap enough too. &nbsp;This allows for extensive earth berming because of the cement walls.</p><p>
A prefab modular fiber cement home, slid off a trailer into the carefully prepared excavation. &nbsp;That has to be the best deal.</p><p>
A far less expensive home means a much smaller amount of income goes to pay interest. &nbsp;Adding on later, if necessary is preferable. &nbsp;Buy another prefab section if/when more family members come along.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>This is the way</strong></p><p>Tell it bio-d. &nbsp;This is a great topic with a recession looming that will make land prices go down, but the income to pay the mortgage and the mortgage itself harder to come by.</p><p>
Reduce home power needs to 200 watts, with geo heat exchange and heat pump, and solar heat and conservation. &nbsp;Smaller home, more efficient appliances and devices will do that.</p><p>
Maximize solar input with a large solar facing roof, incorporate a small wind system, and biogas digestor as backup. &nbsp;Design it to average 400 watts, with excess solar and wind electricity going back into the grid. &nbsp;That gives enough kwh to charge a plugin hybrid too.</p><p>
By adjusting home size, earth sheltering, and roof size, this should be feasible just about anywhere. &nbsp;</p><p>
Prefab too, that reduces cost. &nbsp;But an onsite custom built home using fiber cement with insulation built in might be cheap enough too. &nbsp;This allows for extensive earth berming because of the cement walls.</p><p>
A prefab modular fiber cement home, slid off a trailer into the carefully prepared excavation. &nbsp;That has to be the best deal.</p><p>
A far less expensive home means a much smaller amount of income goes to pay interest. &nbsp;Adding on later, if necessary is preferable. &nbsp;Buy another prefab section if/when more family members come along.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by John Kosmer</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:39:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A new 4000 sq. ft. passive solar house<p>I have just built a new traditional style 4000 sq. ft. passive solar home. So large homes are not too large to be solar. The website is: <a href="http://www.SolarHouseProject.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.SolarHouseProject.com. The website explains how the home was built and how it functions. This home, heated by the sun, cost about the same a comparable size new ENERGY STAR qualified home but uses less than 70% of the energy of that comparable new home. On the sunny day of 1/3/08 The outside temperature began at -10 and got up to 7.7. We did not use energy to heat our home from 8 AM to 6 PM. By 1:30 PM the house had warmed up from 68.7 (at 8 AM) to 75.7. Truely amazing.

<p>John Kosmer</p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>A new 4000 sq. ft. passive solar house<p>I have just built a new traditional style 4000 sq. ft. passive solar home. So large homes are not too large to be solar. The website is: <a href="http://www.SolarHouseProject.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.SolarHouseProject.com. The website explains how the home was built and how it functions. This home, heated by the sun, cost about the same a comparable size new ENERGY STAR qualified home but uses less than 70% of the energy of that comparable new home. On the sunny day of 1/3/08 The outside temperature began at -10 and got up to 7.7. We did not use energy to heat our home from 8 AM to 6 PM. By 1:30 PM the house had warmed up from 68.7 (at 8 AM) to 75.7. Truely amazing.

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            <title>Comment #12 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:11:08 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Geo heat John</strong></p><p>Have you looked into geo heat exchange to replace that propane use John? &nbsp;With your roof area, a heat pump could be powered by solar PV to do the job.</p><p>
It would eliminate most of the rest of your energy consumption. &nbsp;At 5000 per year savings the payback period would be acceptable. &nbsp;Especially with oil set to go higher and higher.

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				<p><strong>Geo heat John</strong></p><p>Have you looked into geo heat exchange to replace that propane use John? &nbsp;With your roof area, a heat pump could be powered by solar PV to do the job.</p><p>
It would eliminate most of the rest of your energy consumption. &nbsp;At 5000 per year savings the payback period would be acceptable. &nbsp;Especially with oil set to go higher and higher.

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            <title>Comment #13 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:22:36 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>John,<p>Based on your information, your half-million dollar, 4000 square foot home will release a minimum of 12 tons of CO2 per year and cost a minimum of $2000 in energy use. In reality, it will release far more because I did not include air-conditioning costs and your estimate of 1.7 gallons of propane a day is probably way, way low. The actual number when you get done adding up a year's worth of propane and electric bills will probably be closer to 15 tons of CO2.<p>
The hybrid solar home would release no CO2, have no electric or heating bills at all, and cost about 2/3 less.<p>
On your south face I see a lot of windows. They have an R-value around 2.5. Your walls have an R-value of maybe 25. Your windows lose heat about ten times faster than your walls when the sun isn't shining on them, which is about 2/3 of the time. About half of that wall is made out of glass.<p>
Half million dollar McMansions like that plopped in the middle of rural farmland are greenwashing no matter how you build them. Somebody is going to have to get in an SUV and drive to do anything. That home is 2.5 times bigger than my own two story home, which has a living room, guest/TV room, two full bathrooms, a study, a roomy kitchen and dining nook, a master bedroom that runs the full width of the house and two more bedrooms to boot. It seems unlikely that this 4000 square foot house could possibly be more comfortable.<br>


<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>John,<p>Based on your information, your half-million dollar, 4000 square foot home will release a minimum of 12 tons of CO2 per year and cost a minimum of $2000 in energy use. In reality, it will release far more because I did not include air-conditioning costs and your estimate of 1.7 gallons of propane a day is probably way, way low. The actual number when you get done adding up a year's worth of propane and electric bills will probably be closer to 15 tons of CO2.<p>
The hybrid solar home would release no CO2, have no electric or heating bills at all, and cost about 2/3 less.<p>
On your south face I see a lot of windows. They have an R-value around 2.5. Your walls have an R-value of maybe 25. Your windows lose heat about ten times faster than your walls when the sun isn't shining on them, which is about 2/3 of the time. About half of that wall is made out of glass.<p>
Half million dollar McMansions like that plopped in the middle of rural farmland are greenwashing no matter how you build them. Somebody is going to have to get in an SUV and drive to do anything. That home is 2.5 times bigger than my own two story home, which has a living room, guest/TV room, two full bathrooms, a study, a roomy kitchen and dining nook, a master bedroom that runs the full width of the house and two more bedrooms to boot. It seems unlikely that this 4000 square foot house could possibly be more comfortable.<br>


<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by Nucbuddy</title>
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				<p><strong>No one can do anything social from home<p><b>Biodiversivist wrote: Somebody is going to have to get in an SUV and drive to do anything.<p>
How about <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22100+million%22+2010+telecommuters" rel="nofollow">commute to work?<p>
...Or <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A3-720p-1080i-Player/dp/B000U62N1S" rel="nofollow">shop?<p>
...Or <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=home+theater+design" rel="nofollow">watch a movie?<br>
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				<p><strong>No one can do anything social from home<p><b>Biodiversivist wrote: Somebody is going to have to get in an SUV and drive to do anything.<p>
How about <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22100+million%22+2010+telecommuters" rel="nofollow">commute to work?<p>
...Or <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A3-720p-1080i-Player/dp/B000U62N1S" rel="nofollow">shop?<p>
...Or <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=home+theater+design" rel="nofollow">watch a movie?<br>
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            <title>Comment #15 by spaceshaper</title>
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				<p><strong>Less is more (green)</strong></p><p>I have to agree with BioD on the 4,000 s.f. exurban white elephant. A few things right, and so much just way wrong. To paraphrase Mies: less is more green.</p><p>
I'm a little dismayed too though by the diagram in the OP which appears to show the whole south elevation of the model homelet taken up by solar collectors with nary a sunny window to curl up in on a bright winter day. Small is good, no sunny window spots is baaad!

<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Less is more (green)</strong></p><p>I have to agree with BioD on the 4,000 s.f. exurban white elephant. A few things right, and so much just way wrong. To paraphrase Mies: less is more green.</p><p>
I'm a little dismayed too though by the diagram in the OP which appears to show the whole south elevation of the model homelet taken up by solar collectors with nary a sunny window to curl up in on a bright winter day. Small is good, no sunny window spots is baaad!

<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #16 by amazingdrx</title>
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				<p><strong>Yeah way too big</strong></p><p>But there is a solution for the low R factor windows that plague nearly every passive solar home. &nbsp;And add concentrating solar PV, and it will retrofit right onto John's home.</p><p>
And it will insulate the windows when the sun is not shining. &nbsp;With this you woulsd not need roof mounted PV either, although they would be great on this home.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Yeah way too big</strong></p><p>But there is a solution for the low R factor windows that plague nearly every passive solar home. &nbsp;And add concentrating solar PV, and it will retrofit right onto John's home.</p><p>
And it will insulate the windows when the sun is not shining. &nbsp;With this you woulsd not need roof mounted PV either, although they would be great on this home.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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