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            <title>Comment #1 by Delay And Deny</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/the-high-costs-of-doing-nothing-part-i/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:10:44 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Limits of T40<p><br>
The student of knowledge (aims at) learning day by day; The student of Tao (aims at) losing day by day. By continual losing One reaches <b>doing nothing (laissez-faire).<p>
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				<p><strong>The Limits of T40<p><br>
The student of knowledge (aims at) learning day by day; The student of Tao (aims at) losing day by day. By continual losing One reaches <b>doing nothing (laissez-faire).<p>
<a href="http://wayist.org/ttc%20compared/chap48.htm" rel="nofollow">http://wayist.org/ttc%20compared/chap48.htm

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            <title>Comment #2 by scanter</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:21:49 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>another study with more detail<p>The Maryland study was an eye-opener, but it didn't try to put an actual price tag on the cost of inaction. Another study by Tufts University gets more specific, though it focuses only on Florida:<p>
<a href="http://ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/rp/FloridaClimate.html" rel="nofollow">http://ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/rp/FloridaClimate.html<p>
There's a summary of the report on our blog:<p>
<a href="http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/climate411/2007/11/28/florida-and-climate-change-the-costs-of-not-acting/" rel="nofollow">http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/climate411/2007/11/2 ...

<p>Sheryl Canter<br>
<a href="http://www.climate411.org" rel="nofollow">Environmental Defense
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				<p><strong>another study with more detail<p>The Maryland study was an eye-opener, but it didn't try to put an actual price tag on the cost of inaction. Another study by Tufts University gets more specific, though it focuses only on Florida:<p>
<a href="http://ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/rp/FloridaClimate.html" rel="nofollow">http://ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/rp/FloridaClimate.html<p>
There's a summary of the report on our blog:<p>
<a href="http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/climate411/2007/11/28/florida-and-climate-change-the-costs-of-not-acting/" rel="nofollow">http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/climate411/2007/11/2 ...

<p>Sheryl Canter<br>
<a href="http://www.climate411.org" rel="nofollow">Environmental Defense
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            <title>Comment #3 by infp</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:24:17 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Milton Friedman Jihadis</strong></p><p>Unfortunately, free market fundamentalists believe that selfishly pursuing their own interests will benefit the entire society. This makes the costs of sudden climate change a difficult concept for them to grasp. </p>
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				<p><strong>Milton Friedman Jihadis</strong></p><p>Unfortunately, free market fundamentalists believe that selfishly pursuing their own interests will benefit the entire society. This makes the costs of sudden climate change a difficult concept for them to grasp. </p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:09:13 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Those cats!</strong></p><p>That photo is pathetic!</p><p>
And yet it is better than all that we saw, about animals that could not be rescued, in New Orleans after the Katrina flooding.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!  So are fish!  So are other sentient animals!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Those cats!</strong></p><p>That photo is pathetic!</p><p>
And yet it is better than all that we saw, about animals that could not be rescued, in New Orleans after the Katrina flooding.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!  So are fish!  So are other sentient animals!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by clherzog</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/the-high-costs-of-doing-nothing-part-i/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:58:30 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>twice the price</strong></p><p>Your economics are missing one element. We could spend billions reducing our carbon footprint and still not prevent the global warming impacts. So would both pay for decreasing our carbon footprint and pay again because the effort was too little too late to prevent the climate change.</p><p>
China and India are planning coal plant after coal plant. Increasing their impact while we spend billions reducing ours. </p>
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				<p><strong>twice the price</strong></p><p>Your economics are missing one element. We could spend billions reducing our carbon footprint and still not prevent the global warming impacts. So would both pay for decreasing our carbon footprint and pay again because the effort was too little too late to prevent the climate change.</p><p>
China and India are planning coal plant after coal plant. Increasing their impact while we spend billions reducing ours. </p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by RL</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:25:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cost of Climate Chane and YOUR Biased Myth.</strong></p><p>1,000 Scientists Shatter the Myth of a "Scientific Consensus" on Global Warming</p><p>
Environmental extremists routinely assert a "scientific consensus" that global warming is occurring, and that human activity somehow causes it. This week, however, over 31,000 scientists spoke up and reduced that myth to a smoldering rubble.</p><p>
The environmentalists' alleged "scientific consensus" is much like the curtain in The Wizard of Oz, behind which the supposedly infallible wizard dictated to his minions. Beyond that curtain, however, the wizard was nothing more than an ordinary little man perpetrating a fraud upon those who worshipped his doctrine. And once Toto removed that curtain, the fraud was exposed for all to see.</p><p>
Similarly, environmentalists' mythical "scientific consensus" has served as a shroud behind which they have sought to maintain an air of infallibility. By falsely claiming a closed consensus and excoriating anyone who speaks out against their flawed orthodoxy, environmental extremists seek to prevent any objective, scientific debate that might inhibit their political agenda.</p><p>
That shroud, however, was further torn this week by a 31,000-strong petition organized by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM). According to the OISM's board of scientists, "a review of the research literature concerning the environmental consequences of increased levels of carbon dioxide leads to the conclusion that increases during the 20th Century have produced no deleterious effects upon global weather, climate, or temperature."</p><p>
To the contrary, the OISM notes that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide have actually increased plant growth rates, among other positive effects. On this basis, the OISM concludes that "predictions of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in minor greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide are in error and do not conform to current experimental knowledge."</p><p>
Accordingly, the straightforward petition reads:</p><p>
We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.</p><p>
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will in the foreseeable future cause, catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.</p><p>
The petition itself appears alongside a letter from the late Frederick Seitz, a former President of the National Academy of Sciences. Dr. Seitz stated that "the United States is very close to adopting an international agreement that would ration the use of energy and technologies that depend upon coal, oil, natural gas and some other organic compounds." He therefore warned that, "this treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research into data on climate change does not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful."</p><p>
It should be noted that the OISM's petition effort receives absolutely no funding from the energy industry, or from anyone else with a financial interest in the ongoing climate change debate. Rather, its funding derives entirely from private, non-tax-deductible contributions from individual donors.</p><p>
Global warming alarmists will nevertheless exclaim, like the "wizard" in The Wizard of Oz, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" Their agenda simply cannot tolerate dissent, contrary evidence, or objective discussion of the matter. Instead, they cling to the claim of a false consensus, and liken any objective disagreement to flat-earth proponents. According to Al Gore, for instance, "there is as strong a consensus on this issue as science has ever had."</p><p>
Oh? Is it as strong as the supposed consensus when Newsweek announced on November 23, 1992 that "the advent of a new ice age, scientists say, appears to be guaranteed," and that "the devastation will be astonishing?"</p><p>
Gore's comment is obviously absurd on its face. A scientific consensus does exist in well-settled scientific subjects, such as the laws of gravity or physics. But this is certainly not the case when it comes to climate change.</p><p>
We can thank the OISM, its leadership and its 31,000 participating scientists for helping shatter the environmentalists' myth.</p>
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				<p><strong>Cost of Climate Chane and YOUR Biased Myth.</strong></p><p>1,000 Scientists Shatter the Myth of a "Scientific Consensus" on Global Warming</p><p>
Environmental extremists routinely assert a "scientific consensus" that global warming is occurring, and that human activity somehow causes it. This week, however, over 31,000 scientists spoke up and reduced that myth to a smoldering rubble.</p><p>
The environmentalists' alleged "scientific consensus" is much like the curtain in The Wizard of Oz, behind which the supposedly infallible wizard dictated to his minions. Beyond that curtain, however, the wizard was nothing more than an ordinary little man perpetrating a fraud upon those who worshipped his doctrine. And once Toto removed that curtain, the fraud was exposed for all to see.</p><p>
Similarly, environmentalists' mythical "scientific consensus" has served as a shroud behind which they have sought to maintain an air of infallibility. By falsely claiming a closed consensus and excoriating anyone who speaks out against their flawed orthodoxy, environmental extremists seek to prevent any objective, scientific debate that might inhibit their political agenda.</p><p>
That shroud, however, was further torn this week by a 31,000-strong petition organized by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM). According to the OISM's board of scientists, "a review of the research literature concerning the environmental consequences of increased levels of carbon dioxide leads to the conclusion that increases during the 20th Century have produced no deleterious effects upon global weather, climate, or temperature."</p><p>
To the contrary, the OISM notes that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide have actually increased plant growth rates, among other positive effects. On this basis, the OISM concludes that "predictions of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in minor greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide are in error and do not conform to current experimental knowledge."</p><p>
Accordingly, the straightforward petition reads:</p><p>
We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.</p><p>
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will in the foreseeable future cause, catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.</p><p>
The petition itself appears alongside a letter from the late Frederick Seitz, a former President of the National Academy of Sciences. Dr. Seitz stated that "the United States is very close to adopting an international agreement that would ration the use of energy and technologies that depend upon coal, oil, natural gas and some other organic compounds." He therefore warned that, "this treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research into data on climate change does not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful."</p><p>
It should be noted that the OISM's petition effort receives absolutely no funding from the energy industry, or from anyone else with a financial interest in the ongoing climate change debate. Rather, its funding derives entirely from private, non-tax-deductible contributions from individual donors.</p><p>
Global warming alarmists will nevertheless exclaim, like the "wizard" in The Wizard of Oz, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" Their agenda simply cannot tolerate dissent, contrary evidence, or objective discussion of the matter. Instead, they cling to the claim of a false consensus, and liken any objective disagreement to flat-earth proponents. According to Al Gore, for instance, "there is as strong a consensus on this issue as science has ever had."</p><p>
Oh? Is it as strong as the supposed consensus when Newsweek announced on November 23, 1992 that "the advent of a new ice age, scientists say, appears to be guaranteed," and that "the devastation will be astonishing?"</p><p>
Gore's comment is obviously absurd on its face. A scientific consensus does exist in well-settled scientific subjects, such as the laws of gravity or physics. But this is certainly not the case when it comes to climate change.</p><p>
We can thank the OISM, its leadership and its 31,000 participating scientists for helping shatter the environmentalists' myth.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by RL</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:40:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>TRUE</strong></p><p>The World will do nothing about it and we in the US will be prisoners to it. China is building coal as fast as possible at two plants a week, and raping Africa for oil as fast as possible while we send the "FIX" to wall street from Washington. Please, they have put us where we are. &nbsp;Cap, trade,(get the trade part?? sounds like sub prime and oil to me) and tax will change nothing. All of you concerned green sheep will be wrong and will never admit it when we are a third world polluted country but will all say, "How dare them, they lied to us'. God forbid we use coal or oil for now CLEANLY, the ability is already there, of course just corporate greed and political pay offs keep it from being done. Green equals more earnings, not clean fossil expenditures. I know this, I worked for Big Oil for twenty years. I am all for global responsibility, but this is US greed and media manipulation of millions of YOU.</p>
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				<p><strong>TRUE</strong></p><p>The World will do nothing about it and we in the US will be prisoners to it. China is building coal as fast as possible at two plants a week, and raping Africa for oil as fast as possible while we send the "FIX" to wall street from Washington. Please, they have put us where we are. &nbsp;Cap, trade,(get the trade part?? sounds like sub prime and oil to me) and tax will change nothing. All of you concerned green sheep will be wrong and will never admit it when we are a third world polluted country but will all say, "How dare them, they lied to us'. God forbid we use coal or oil for now CLEANLY, the ability is already there, of course just corporate greed and political pay offs keep it from being done. Green equals more earnings, not clean fossil expenditures. I know this, I worked for Big Oil for twenty years. I am all for global responsibility, but this is US greed and media manipulation of millions of YOU.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:25:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wow RL<p>Getting kind of spammy aren't you? &nbsp;A repeat plagirism, what's next serial plagirism? &nbsp;Hehey.<p>
<a href="http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_issues/hot_issues_in_congress/energy/Scientists-Shatter-the-Myth-Scientific-Consensus-Global-Warming.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_iss ...

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Wow RL<p>Getting kind of spammy aren't you? &nbsp;A repeat plagirism, what's next serial plagirism? &nbsp;Hehey.<p>
<a href="http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_issues/hot_issues_in_congress/energy/Scientists-Shatter-the-Myth-Scientific-Consensus-Global-Warming.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_iss ...

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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