<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for That ain’t good]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/ Tue, 22 May 2007 17:18:21 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/1 Waiting for the Die-off.

I am acutely aware of the precarious nature of technology and modern civilization. I have sat and watched as a good chunk of a modern city burned to the ground (Oakland fire) while the firefighters could do nothing to stop it.

That fire was put out by a fog bank.

There is no fog bank that will mute the damage that our folly on climate change has set off. We will wait until the weather hazards our existence and then fight over the right to keep polluting.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Waiting for the Die-off.

I am acutely aware of the precarious nature of technology and modern civilization. I have sat and watched as a good chunk of a modern city burned to the ground (Oakland fire) while the firefighters could do nothing to stop it.

That fire was put out by a fog bank.

There is no fog bank that will mute the damage that our folly on climate change has set off. We will wait until the weather hazards our existence and then fight over the right to keep polluting.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Comment #2 by JMG http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/ Tue, 22 May 2007 18:09:00 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/2 Gosh, now why might that be?

Think that the explosive growth in jet tourism has anything to do with our failure to limit emissions?

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-ft-tourism21may21,1,79 ...

Nice LA Times story on the realization among the tourism biz types that they have to start greenwashing immediately.  All hotels to have little cards saying that you can choose not to have the sheets washed daily, if you like.

"An optimist is someone who thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist is someone who is afraid that the optimist is right."

]]> Gosh, now why might that be?

Think that the explosive growth in jet tourism has anything to do with our failure to limit emissions?

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-ft-tourism21may21,1,79 ...

Nice LA Times story on the realization among the tourism biz types that they have to start greenwashing immediately.  All hotels to have little cards saying that you can choose not to have the sheets washed daily, if you like.

"An optimist is someone who thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist is someone who is afraid that the optimist is right."

]]> Comment #3 by GonzoDon http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/ Wed, 23 May 2007 01:08:17 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/3 No pain, no gain

This is the dirty little secret that no politician dare utter, for fear of terminating their political career: If Americans, and the rest of the developed world, seriously want to do something to address CO2 emissions, it's gonna take major changes in our lifestyles, and it's gonna require (gasp!) some degree of personal sacrifice in terms of current expectations for nonstop climate-controlled environments, unimpeded highway travel, universal comfort and convenience at any cost, minimal taxes, and expectations of unrestricted personal freedom to consume to one's content without addressing the inevitable environmental consequences to third parties.

Yipes.  The last time one of our national leaders dared to float the concept of 'personal sacrifice' (President Carter), he got chased out of office by outraged free-marketers who found their salvation in another 'leader' whose primary attribute was delivering a feel-good message that, you know, we really had nothing to worry about.  Ahhh ... that feels so much better!

So here we are, 30 years later, with a poorer national fuel economy standards, 10%(?) more carbon in the earth's atmosphere, and twice the number of humans on our planet, each seeking their own fair share of food and energy (which, from a sustainable-energy perspective, are really the same thing ...)

Fortunately, the national mainstream news media is right on top of this issue, of course -- oh look!  over there!  It's John Edwards is getting a $400 haircut!

]]> No pain, no gain

This is the dirty little secret that no politician dare utter, for fear of terminating their political career: If Americans, and the rest of the developed world, seriously want to do something to address CO2 emissions, it's gonna take major changes in our lifestyles, and it's gonna require (gasp!) some degree of personal sacrifice in terms of current expectations for nonstop climate-controlled environments, unimpeded highway travel, universal comfort and convenience at any cost, minimal taxes, and expectations of unrestricted personal freedom to consume to one's content without addressing the inevitable environmental consequences to third parties.

Yipes.  The last time one of our national leaders dared to float the concept of 'personal sacrifice' (President Carter), he got chased out of office by outraged free-marketers who found their salvation in another 'leader' whose primary attribute was delivering a feel-good message that, you know, we really had nothing to worry about.  Ahhh ... that feels so much better!

So here we are, 30 years later, with a poorer national fuel economy standards, 10%(?) more carbon in the earth's atmosphere, and twice the number of humans on our planet, each seeking their own fair share of food and energy (which, from a sustainable-energy perspective, are really the same thing ...)

Fortunately, the national mainstream news media is right on top of this issue, of course -- oh look!  over there!  It's John Edwards is getting a $400 haircut!

]]> Comment #4 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/ Wed, 23 May 2007 03:06:44 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/4 Mish Mash

This article is a real mismash...I'd wish there were more factoids associated with it.

For instance, where are these CO2 metrics coming from?  I followed the link and got a summary...I'd like to know how they're being measured.

Second, if it's the old isotope game, as in manmade CO2 is a different isotope, then I still have two questions that I've raised previously.

First, is the CO2 from permafrost the isotope of CO2 that is naturally in the air, or is it the same type as created by manmade burning of fossil fuels?

Second, since the new isotope is the one that accounts for the increase, has anyone studied whether it has the same greenhouse effect as the natural atmospheric CO2.

And lastly, the CO2 rate of growth went up threefold -- did the temperature growth rate go up three fold?

John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"
You Read It Here First


]]> Mish Mash

This article is a real mismash...I'd wish there were more factoids associated with it.

For instance, where are these CO2 metrics coming from?  I followed the link and got a summary...I'd like to know how they're being measured.

Second, if it's the old isotope game, as in manmade CO2 is a different isotope, then I still have two questions that I've raised previously.

First, is the CO2 from permafrost the isotope of CO2 that is naturally in the air, or is it the same type as created by manmade burning of fossil fuels?

Second, since the new isotope is the one that accounts for the increase, has anyone studied whether it has the same greenhouse effect as the natural atmospheric CO2.

And lastly, the CO2 rate of growth went up threefold -- did the temperature growth rate go up three fold?

John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"
You Read It Here First


]]> Comment #5 by d41295 http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/ Wed, 23 May 2007 07:54:14 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/5 honesty

Please, let us be honest.

None of you, or me, is willing to sacrifice for global warming.

You all want your high-powered Internet servers and conference plane flights and book tours and ecotourism and air conditioning and all that crap.

None of you is willing to sacrifice anything whatsoever. You just want it to be carbon-free. It will never be.

Stop pretending. Your hypocrisy is disgusting.
 

]]> honesty

Please, let us be honest.

None of you, or me, is willing to sacrifice for global warming.

You all want your high-powered Internet servers and conference plane flights and book tours and ecotourism and air conditioning and all that crap.

None of you is willing to sacrifice anything whatsoever. You just want it to be carbon-free. It will never be.

Stop pretending. Your hypocrisy is disgusting.
 

]]> Comment #6 by Backcut http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/ Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:55:30 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-growth-rate-of-carbon-emissions-has-tripled/6 Shame

Until we limit CO2 emissions (outpacing all of industry in western states) coming from our burning forests, nothing we do will have any real effect. As we speak, forests are releasing their carbon and mega-firestorms are being planned. Yes, MMA's (maximum management areas) and WFU's (Wildland  Fire Use) have been mapped out in blocks up to 400,000 acres, and they are intending to include private lands within those boundaries too.

AND, all of this WITHOUT the legal requirement of NEPA and public involvement. Just look at how slow the fire season was, yet the USFS "burned up" their allotted budget in record time, now stealing monies from the rest of the Forest Service budget. Remember, we still have the Santa Ana's making an appearance very, very soon!

OOPS....got carried away

8^X

/lurk_mode=on

Scenic pics at http://Lhfotoware.blogspot.com

]]> Shame

Until we limit CO2 emissions (outpacing all of industry in western states) coming from our burning forests, nothing we do will have any real effect. As we speak, forests are releasing their carbon and mega-firestorms are being planned. Yes, MMA's (maximum management areas) and WFU's (Wildland  Fire Use) have been mapped out in blocks up to 400,000 acres, and they are intending to include private lands within those boundaries too.

AND, all of this WITHOUT the legal requirement of NEPA and public involvement. Just look at how slow the fire season was, yet the USFS "burned up" their allotted budget in record time, now stealing monies from the rest of the Forest Service budget. Remember, we still have the Santa Ana's making an appearance very, very soon!

OOPS....got carried away

8^X

/lurk_mode=on

Scenic pics at http://Lhfotoware.blogspot.com

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