<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Low-carbon roadmap comes into focus—with some notable gaps]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Darrell http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:11:24 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/1 Electrify transportation

Good five point summary. And not only for climate, I've argued the right solutions address both climate and peak oil.

I'd expand Electric Cars to Electrify Transportation, taking in mainline passenger and freight and urban transit.

]]> Electrify transportation

Good five point summary. And not only for climate, I've argued the right solutions address both climate and peak oil.

I'd expand Electric Cars to Electrify Transportation, taking in mainline passenger and freight and urban transit.

]]> Comment #2 by Adam Stein http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:30:16 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/2 Good point

I was wondering how to get trains in there. I updated the post.

www.terrapass.com/blog

]]> Good point

I was wondering how to get trains in there. I updated the post.

www.terrapass.com/blog

]]> Comment #3 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:21:27 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/3 Heh

Or we could just simplify that down to

Solve Transportation/Electricity for US, China, and India.
And Solve Deforestation for Brazil, and Indonesia.

That'd solve most of our problem right there.

_

That said, US has to lead the way.
Lead by example.

-David Ahlport



]]> Heh

Or we could just simplify that down to

Solve Transportation/Electricity for US, China, and India.
And Solve Deforestation for Brazil, and Indonesia.

That'd solve most of our problem right there.

_

That said, US has to lead the way.
Lead by example.

-David Ahlport



]]> Comment #4 by vakibs http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:42:08 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/4 greyflcn is right

though I would reverse the order

Solve deforestation for Brazil, Indonesia & Africa
Solve electricity and transport

Actually solving deforestation is closely linked to providing electricity and clean fresh water.  

There by, we need to provide electricity and transport not just to US, China and India, but to the whole world.

Let's think in terms of eco-dollars.


]]> greyflcn is right

though I would reverse the order

Solve deforestation for Brazil, Indonesia & Africa
Solve electricity and transport

Actually solving deforestation is closely linked to providing electricity and clean fresh water.  

There by, we need to provide electricity and transport not just to US, China and India, but to the whole world.

Let's think in terms of eco-dollars.


]]> Comment #5 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:00:40 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/5 Solve the big problems first

Actually solving deforestation is closely linked to providing electricity and clean fresh water.
I'd say that has more to do with agricultural practices.

we need to provide electricity and transport not just to US, China and India, but to the whole world.
Ultimately, yes.  However one has to consider that if we can get US, China, and India on board, then getting the rest of the world to follow will be simple.

To be frank, the rest of the world could stick with oil and coal, and we'd still be ~80% of the way there toward zero carbon perfection.

-David Ahlport



]]> Solve the big problems first

Actually solving deforestation is closely linked to providing electricity and clean fresh water.
I'd say that has more to do with agricultural practices.

we need to provide electricity and transport not just to US, China and India, but to the whole world.
Ultimately, yes.  However one has to consider that if we can get US, China, and India on board, then getting the rest of the world to follow will be simple.

To be frank, the rest of the world could stick with oil and coal, and we'd still be ~80% of the way there toward zero carbon perfection.

-David Ahlport



]]> Comment #6 by vakibs http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:39:45 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/the-grand-climate-plan/6 deforestation is the principal problem

As we speak at this moment, forests are being cleared and species are going extinct. There is an enormous loss of biodiversity happening already. We don't need to wait for the disastrous effects of climate change to make things worse.

A zero-carbon future is a necessity. But even before that, we need to figure out a way to solve the deforestation problem.

The deforestation question is directly related to the fresh water crisis.


I'd say that has more to do with agricultural practices.

When the land becomes barren due to monoculture of crops, when rivers grow thinner and underground acquifiers get used up, farmers (particularly, subsistent farmers) have no option but to clear more forest land to grow crops. This is how humanity performed agriculture for thousands of years. This slash-and-burn agriculture is no longer sustainable due to our humongous numbers.

Providing clean fresh water is a must for solving the deforestation problem at its roots.

The second principal cause (though more visible) for deforestation is logging. Firewood is the only source of energy for several tribal populations. This has to stop, and alternate means of energy (electricity) should  be provided to the populations living around rainforest areas.

Electricity is also needed to solve the above fresh water problem (particularly in areas which are under threat of desertification due to climate change).

If we don't solve the electricity+clean fresh water issues (both of which are top priorities for the UNO anyways), deforestation and biodiversity loss is a given.

This threat is far more direct and proximal than the global warming threat, as scary as that can be by itself.
 

Let's think in terms of eco-dollars.



]]> deforestation is the principal problem

As we speak at this moment, forests are being cleared and species are going extinct. There is an enormous loss of biodiversity happening already. We don't need to wait for the disastrous effects of climate change to make things worse.

A zero-carbon future is a necessity. But even before that, we need to figure out a way to solve the deforestation problem.

The deforestation question is directly related to the fresh water crisis.


I'd say that has more to do with agricultural practices.

When the land becomes barren due to monoculture of crops, when rivers grow thinner and underground acquifiers get used up, farmers (particularly, subsistent farmers) have no option but to clear more forest land to grow crops. This is how humanity performed agriculture for thousands of years. This slash-and-burn agriculture is no longer sustainable due to our humongous numbers.

Providing clean fresh water is a must for solving the deforestation problem at its roots.

The second principal cause (though more visible) for deforestation is logging. Firewood is the only source of energy for several tribal populations. This has to stop, and alternate means of energy (electricity) should  be provided to the populations living around rainforest areas.

Electricity is also needed to solve the above fresh water problem (particularly in areas which are under threat of desertification due to climate change).

If we don't solve the electricity+clean fresh water issues (both of which are top priorities for the UNO anyways), deforestation and biodiversity loss is a given.

This threat is far more direct and proximal than the global warming threat, as scary as that can be by itself.
 

Let's think in terms of eco-dollars.



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