<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for New Senate alternatives to L-W would take climate policy backwards—way backwards]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by drosenblum http://www.grist.org/article/the-fossil-bloc-makes-its-play/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:22:24 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-fossil-bloc-makes-its-play/1 There Already Is a Good Alternative - A Carbon Tax

Senator Boxer and the other good actors already have a good alternative.  It's called a revenue-neutral carbon tax and it's been discussed extensively on Gristmill.  It's time for the "forces of Good & Right" to recognize that Lieberman-Warner is only marginally better than Voinovich's bill; both pass out public money to favored industry.  A carbon tax is best and cap-and-dividend is a reasonable alternative.  

]]> There Already Is a Good Alternative - A Carbon Tax

Senator Boxer and the other good actors already have a good alternative.  It's called a revenue-neutral carbon tax and it's been discussed extensively on Gristmill.  It's time for the "forces of Good & Right" to recognize that Lieberman-Warner is only marginally better than Voinovich's bill; both pass out public money to favored industry.  A carbon tax is best and cap-and-dividend is a reasonable alternative.  

]]> Comment #2 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/the-fossil-bloc-makes-its-play/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:24:18 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-fossil-bloc-makes-its-play/2 Penalties -- Or Bonuses


I'm always a believer in reward over punishment.

For example, the neo-Protestants (ok, "Greens") see everything in Fire & Brimstone terms -- drive this car and you're going straight to Hell (Hell being a per century 6C warming trend).

Yes, yes, I know it's all true (rolls eyes), but even if you know it's true and I know it's true, Carbon Prohibition is just a really grim thing.

How about more positive rewards.   How about all these "Green Billionaires" and Bonoes building some Green Apartments for regular 1st World people to live in....we need charity too!  

Here's one I thought up when at the KBAB (Kent Bicycle Advisory Board) meeting yesterday.   They just implemented ROV (Rich Occupied Vehicle) lanes on Rte 169 -- you can cruise through traffic for a fee.   The fee is collected electronically by RFID technlogy (liberal arts majors...cf. Wikipedia).

Ok, so my idea: hook up an RFID system so that people who bicycle get PAID to do so...that's right, get people riding and give them money -- a "stimulus" to ride their bikes.  It's effectively a C trading system.    And it's better than "Mass Transit" as I found out today when I was blasted by a giant plume of diesel exhaust from the 168 bus while waiting at a traffic light (on my bike) near Kent Station...

Texeme.Construct(Participant)


]]> Penalties -- Or Bonuses


I'm always a believer in reward over punishment.

For example, the neo-Protestants (ok, "Greens") see everything in Fire & Brimstone terms -- drive this car and you're going straight to Hell (Hell being a per century 6C warming trend).

Yes, yes, I know it's all true (rolls eyes), but even if you know it's true and I know it's true, Carbon Prohibition is just a really grim thing.

How about more positive rewards.   How about all these "Green Billionaires" and Bonoes building some Green Apartments for regular 1st World people to live in....we need charity too!  

Here's one I thought up when at the KBAB (Kent Bicycle Advisory Board) meeting yesterday.   They just implemented ROV (Rich Occupied Vehicle) lanes on Rte 169 -- you can cruise through traffic for a fee.   The fee is collected electronically by RFID technlogy (liberal arts majors...cf. Wikipedia).

Ok, so my idea: hook up an RFID system so that people who bicycle get PAID to do so...that's right, get people riding and give them money -- a "stimulus" to ride their bikes.  It's effectively a C trading system.    And it's better than "Mass Transit" as I found out today when I was blasted by a giant plume of diesel exhaust from the 168 bus while waiting at a traffic light (on my bike) near Kent Station...

Texeme.Construct(Participant)


]]> Comment #3 by ce1907 http://www.grist.org/article/the-fossil-bloc-makes-its-play/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:54:36 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-fossil-bloc-makes-its-play/3 Sen B planted the story

Sen B is trying to foster a "groundswell" for his safety valve.  Sen. V is a bit player.  Sen. B is the puppetmaster in this drama.

Samuelson does not mention Sen. B because Samuelson is protecting his sources.

]]> Sen B planted the story

Sen B is trying to foster a "groundswell" for his safety valve.  Sen. V is a bit player.  Sen. B is the puppetmaster in this drama.

Samuelson does not mention Sen. B because Samuelson is protecting his sources.

]]> Comment #4 by randino http://www.grist.org/article/the-fossil-bloc-makes-its-play/ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:30:26 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-fossil-bloc-makes-its-play/4 No surprise.

Voinovich has been a whore for the utilities and coal industry from the earliest days of his career. The guy's got to retire sometime.

Randy Cunningham

Randy Cunningham

]]> No surprise.

Voinovich has been a whore for the utilities and coal industry from the earliest days of his career. The guy's got to retire sometime.

Randy Cunningham

Randy Cunningham

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