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            <title>Comment #1 by bharshaw</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:03:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Changes in Government Policy</strong></p><p>Michael Pollan is not a reliable guide to agricultural policy in the 1970's, particularly as he places Earl Butz in the center. &nbsp;Shortly after Butz was fired as Agriculture Secretary, the President increased the loan level for price supported commodities. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Because Ford was fighting for re-election and needed farmer votes. So much for his legacy. (Pollan fails to note the devaluation of the dollar when Nixon took us off the gold standard, an action that had much more to do with prices in the 70's than any action by Butz.)</p><p>
And, in case you haven't noticed, it's not simply the price of corn that's soaring, soybeans, wheat, and rice are also rising. &nbsp;In today's market environment, the levels of government subsidies don't determine which crop a farmer will grow.</p>
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				<p><strong>Changes in Government Policy</strong></p><p>Michael Pollan is not a reliable guide to agricultural policy in the 1970's, particularly as he places Earl Butz in the center. &nbsp;Shortly after Butz was fired as Agriculture Secretary, the President increased the loan level for price supported commodities. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Because Ford was fighting for re-election and needed farmer votes. So much for his legacy. (Pollan fails to note the devaluation of the dollar when Nixon took us off the gold standard, an action that had much more to do with prices in the 70's than any action by Butz.)</p><p>
And, in case you haven't noticed, it's not simply the price of corn that's soaring, soybeans, wheat, and rice are also rising. &nbsp;In today's market environment, the levels of government subsidies don't determine which crop a farmer will grow.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Bill Chameides</title>
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				<p><strong>Government policies do affect what farmers grow</strong></p><p>bharshaw: Do you really think that "government subsidies don't determine which crop a farmer will grow?"<br><br>
Would you not consider the federal government's mandate for ethanol in gasoline a subsidy for the corn industry? After all, is it not true that without the government mandate, we would not have seen the American farmer's great rush to corn over the last couple of years? And there has clearly been a rush -- for example, according to the National Agricultural Statistics Service, acreage planted in corn in the U.S. increased by about 15% between 2005 and 2007. Much of that increase appears to have occurred at the expense of acreage planted in soybeans.<br><br>
So does it not follow that, even in "today's market environment," government policies/subsidies can affect a farmer's choice of what to grow. And if government policies influence what farmers grow, should we not consider whether those policies make sense?</br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Government policies do affect what farmers grow</strong></p><p>bharshaw: Do you really think that "government subsidies don't determine which crop a farmer will grow?"<br><br>
Would you not consider the federal government's mandate for ethanol in gasoline a subsidy for the corn industry? After all, is it not true that without the government mandate, we would not have seen the American farmer's great rush to corn over the last couple of years? And there has clearly been a rush -- for example, according to the National Agricultural Statistics Service, acreage planted in corn in the U.S. increased by about 15% between 2005 and 2007. Much of that increase appears to have occurred at the expense of acreage planted in soybeans.<br><br>
So does it not follow that, even in "today's market environment," government policies/subsidies can affect a farmer's choice of what to grow. And if government policies influence what farmers grow, should we not consider whether those policies make sense?</br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Bill Chameides</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:53:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Subsidies are a factor</strong></p><p>Though this post focuses on corn as an example, soybeans, wheat, and rice also get subsidies.</p>
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				<p><strong>Subsidies are a factor</strong></p><p>Though this post focuses on corn as an example, soybeans, wheat, and rice also get subsidies.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by otocco</title>
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				<p><strong>The Price of corn in Iowa</strong></p><p>I beg your indulgence on the long post, but it might help.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Yes, the government subsidy DID and to a lesser extent is driving the planting of corn prior to the price surge. &nbsp;Payments to farmers for planting corn are divided into two types. &nbsp;The first, called Direct payments are allocated by acreage at the onset of a farm bill (ie. every 5 years). &nbsp;The farmer says, "Of my 100 acres, 50 are base corn acres." &nbsp;A farmer only gets paid for the acres he plants. &nbsp;If he plants all 50 of his corn acres, he gets paid a small amount per acre for these acres. &nbsp;If he plants more than 50 acres, he doesn't get paid for any more acres than the 50 he declared. &nbsp;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The second type of payment is called a counter cyclical payment. &nbsp;The Farm Bill was designed to deliver most of its farmer subsidy in this payment. &nbsp;This payment establishes a floor under which the farmer is reimbursed, per bushel, for the price of corn he pays. &nbsp;The arbitrary price set in 2002 was $2.40. &nbsp;If the actual price of corn was $2.00 and the farmer produced 100 bushels per acre, the farmer would be paid $40 per acre to offset the price. &nbsp;The lower the actual price of corn, the greater the subsidy.<br>
As you're aware, the prices have been above the 2002 base price ($2.40) for some time. &nbsp;This has led to the unspent largesse falling back to the USDA.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;As was noted in the initial post, these payments only apply to commodities, which prevents, say, a grain farmer from suddenly switching to onions or tomatoes. &nbsp;The actual price of commodities,coupled with the availability of inputs is now primarily driving planting decisions. &nbsp;The subsidies provided by the goverment as direct payments can hardly offset the spike in input cost and will do very little to sway farmers this season.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Another thing that ought to be mentioned is that at least 30% of Farm Bill funding is made up of WIC, food stamps, Farmers Market Nutrition Program (and its senior counterpart), National School Lunch Program and other programs designed to get fresh fruits and vegetables in the hands of the nation's most needy. &nbsp;That's what makes this piece of legislation so important to EVERYONE! </br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>The Price of corn in Iowa</strong></p><p>I beg your indulgence on the long post, but it might help.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Yes, the government subsidy DID and to a lesser extent is driving the planting of corn prior to the price surge. &nbsp;Payments to farmers for planting corn are divided into two types. &nbsp;The first, called Direct payments are allocated by acreage at the onset of a farm bill (ie. every 5 years). &nbsp;The farmer says, "Of my 100 acres, 50 are base corn acres." &nbsp;A farmer only gets paid for the acres he plants. &nbsp;If he plants all 50 of his corn acres, he gets paid a small amount per acre for these acres. &nbsp;If he plants more than 50 acres, he doesn't get paid for any more acres than the 50 he declared. &nbsp;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The second type of payment is called a counter cyclical payment. &nbsp;The Farm Bill was designed to deliver most of its farmer subsidy in this payment. &nbsp;This payment establishes a floor under which the farmer is reimbursed, per bushel, for the price of corn he pays. &nbsp;The arbitrary price set in 2002 was $2.40. &nbsp;If the actual price of corn was $2.00 and the farmer produced 100 bushels per acre, the farmer would be paid $40 per acre to offset the price. &nbsp;The lower the actual price of corn, the greater the subsidy.<br>
As you're aware, the prices have been above the 2002 base price ($2.40) for some time. &nbsp;This has led to the unspent largesse falling back to the USDA.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;As was noted in the initial post, these payments only apply to commodities, which prevents, say, a grain farmer from suddenly switching to onions or tomatoes. &nbsp;The actual price of commodities,coupled with the availability of inputs is now primarily driving planting decisions. &nbsp;The subsidies provided by the goverment as direct payments can hardly offset the spike in input cost and will do very little to sway farmers this season.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Another thing that ought to be mentioned is that at least 30% of Farm Bill funding is made up of WIC, food stamps, Farmers Market Nutrition Program (and its senior counterpart), National School Lunch Program and other programs designed to get fresh fruits and vegetables in the hands of the nation's most needy. &nbsp;That's what makes this piece of legislation so important to EVERYONE! </br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by bharshaw</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:20:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What Determines What Farmers Grow?<p>An individual farmer decides which crops to grow based on many factors, many of which are long term (area of country,climate, type of soil, experience, cropping patterns, yields, prices)and some short term. Right now, as shown in this excerpt from <a href="http://www.farmgate.uiuc.edu" rel="nofollow"> &nbsp; the Uof Ill extension website , market forecasts are the big thing on their mind:<br>
"Price relationships have changed between corn and beans since the USDA intentions report, says marketing specialist Jim Hilker at Mich. St., and he says it favors corn now, but weather is still a threat for a reversal. He says producers need to keep more in corn than the USDA forecast, because the US will have less carryout at the end of the year.<p>
Hilker says make some forward contracts if you can to lock in prices for your 2008 corn. Recognizing the fact some elevators will not offer forward pricing, he says farmers may have to use the options market. He knows put options are expensive, but offer downside protection from deep drops. He also says selling a call option reduces the cost of the put.<p>
Regarding soybeans, Hilker says, "If you look at new crop soybean prices only being twice new crop corn prices, versus a more normal 2.3-2.5, even with the high fertilizer prices, that means higher returns to corn per acre for most producers." And he adds, "It is hard for me to explain soybean prices given the projected world stocks. Does the market know something we don't? <p>
Now, I've seen estimates, maybe from the same site, that the ethanol mandate raises the price of corn by about $.40 a bushel (corn is currently $5-6, used to be $2.50/2.80 was pretty good). So yes, the ethanol mandate has raised corn prices and no, I won't argue it makes much sense. &nbsp;But consider--you, by following Pollan, end up arguing that a farm lobby that supported farm programs since 1933 has supported low corn prices while now they support high corn prices (through the ethanol mandate). &nbsp;The fact is the farm lobby has always opted for price stability and higher prices (not necessarily compatible) and Pollan and others misinterpret the history of farm programs, particularly in the 1970's. They also assume, wrongly, that farm programs are always effective in reaching desired ends--they aren't.</p></p></p></br></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>What Determines What Farmers Grow?<p>An individual farmer decides which crops to grow based on many factors, many of which are long term (area of country,climate, type of soil, experience, cropping patterns, yields, prices)and some short term. Right now, as shown in this excerpt from <a href="http://www.farmgate.uiuc.edu" rel="nofollow"> &nbsp; the Uof Ill extension website , market forecasts are the big thing on their mind:<br>
"Price relationships have changed between corn and beans since the USDA intentions report, says marketing specialist Jim Hilker at Mich. St., and he says it favors corn now, but weather is still a threat for a reversal. He says producers need to keep more in corn than the USDA forecast, because the US will have less carryout at the end of the year.<p>
Hilker says make some forward contracts if you can to lock in prices for your 2008 corn. Recognizing the fact some elevators will not offer forward pricing, he says farmers may have to use the options market. He knows put options are expensive, but offer downside protection from deep drops. He also says selling a call option reduces the cost of the put.<p>
Regarding soybeans, Hilker says, "If you look at new crop soybean prices only being twice new crop corn prices, versus a more normal 2.3-2.5, even with the high fertilizer prices, that means higher returns to corn per acre for most producers." And he adds, "It is hard for me to explain soybean prices given the projected world stocks. Does the market know something we don't? <p>
Now, I've seen estimates, maybe from the same site, that the ethanol mandate raises the price of corn by about $.40 a bushel (corn is currently $5-6, used to be $2.50/2.80 was pretty good). So yes, the ethanol mandate has raised corn prices and no, I won't argue it makes much sense. &nbsp;But consider--you, by following Pollan, end up arguing that a farm lobby that supported farm programs since 1933 has supported low corn prices while now they support high corn prices (through the ethanol mandate). &nbsp;The fact is the farm lobby has always opted for price stability and higher prices (not necessarily compatible) and Pollan and others misinterpret the history of farm programs, particularly in the 1970's. They also assume, wrongly, that farm programs are always effective in reaching desired ends--they aren't.</p></p></p></br></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by bharshaw</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:30:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Clarification</strong></p><p>Without getting into the nitty-gritty, because it's relevant to my reply to the good Professor, I think it's worth quoting a line from from USDA description:</p><p>
"Direct payments are not based on producers' current production choices, but instead are tied to acreage bases and yields. Because direct payments provide no incentive to increase production of any certain crop, the payments support farm income without distorting producers' current production decisions."</p><p>
Because direct payments are the only ones likely to be made this year (assuming a farm bill), the farm program doesn't favor corn planting as opposed to soybean, or wheat. </p>
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				<p><strong>Clarification</strong></p><p>Without getting into the nitty-gritty, because it's relevant to my reply to the good Professor, I think it's worth quoting a line from from USDA description:</p><p>
"Direct payments are not based on producers' current production choices, but instead are tied to acreage bases and yields. Because direct payments provide no incentive to increase production of any certain crop, the payments support farm income without distorting producers' current production decisions."</p><p>
Because direct payments are the only ones likely to be made this year (assuming a farm bill), the farm program doesn't favor corn planting as opposed to soybean, or wheat. </p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Bill Chameides</title>
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				<p><strong>Government policies affect what farmers grow<p>All these statistics and quotes are fine, but let's focus on the bottom line.<p>
Does anyone question the notion that government subsidies for ethanol have:<br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1. led farmers to plant more corn, and <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2. helped drive up the prices for corn?<p><p>
And as I describe below, the rush to corn has likely driven up the price of soybeans as well since many farmers are converting land cultivated in soybeans to land cultivated in corn.<p>
This is what Chad Hart, an economist at the Center for Agriculture and Rural Development at Iowa State, <a href="http://www.extension.iastate.edu/agdm/articles/others/HartSept06.html" rel="nofollow">predicted in September 2006:<p>
Increased feed demand and increased ethanol demand translate into higher expected futures prices for both corn and soybeans. The market wants more of both commodities, but there is a limited supply of acreage. Current market signals indicate that the market wants corn acres more than soybean acres. If this trend continues, expect Iowa corn acreage to grow, Iowa soybean acreage to decline, and the proportion of Iowa acreage enrolled in the Conservation Reserve Program to shrink.<p>
And this is what actually happened between 2006 and 2007:<br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&raquo; corn acreage in the U.S. increased by 19%;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&raquo; soybean acreage decreased by 15%; and <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&raquo; 2.1 million acres of land in the Conservation Reserve Program were taken out of the program. <br>
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Certainly these changes are driven by market and price signals. But we need to drill down and figure out what is driving the shifts in market and price signals. Increased demand for ethanol is one of those drivers and without the federal government's mandate for and subsidy of ethanol there would not be significant demand because ethanol is not economically favorable.<br>
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Bottom line: government subsidies, mandates, and other policies are directly affecting what farmers grow.

<p>Dr. Bill Chameides is the dean of the Nicholas School of the Environment at Duke University.</p></p></br></p></br></br></br></br></br></p></p></a></p></p></p></br></br></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Government policies affect what farmers grow<p>All these statistics and quotes are fine, but let's focus on the bottom line.<p>
Does anyone question the notion that government subsidies for ethanol have:<br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1. led farmers to plant more corn, and <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2. helped drive up the prices for corn?<p><p>
And as I describe below, the rush to corn has likely driven up the price of soybeans as well since many farmers are converting land cultivated in soybeans to land cultivated in corn.<p>
This is what Chad Hart, an economist at the Center for Agriculture and Rural Development at Iowa State, <a href="http://www.extension.iastate.edu/agdm/articles/others/HartSept06.html" rel="nofollow">predicted in September 2006:<p>
Increased feed demand and increased ethanol demand translate into higher expected futures prices for both corn and soybeans. The market wants more of both commodities, but there is a limited supply of acreage. Current market signals indicate that the market wants corn acres more than soybean acres. If this trend continues, expect Iowa corn acreage to grow, Iowa soybean acreage to decline, and the proportion of Iowa acreage enrolled in the Conservation Reserve Program to shrink.<p>
And this is what actually happened between 2006 and 2007:<br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&raquo; corn acreage in the U.S. increased by 19%;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&raquo; soybean acreage decreased by 15%; and <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&raquo; 2.1 million acres of land in the Conservation Reserve Program were taken out of the program. <br>
<p>
Certainly these changes are driven by market and price signals. But we need to drill down and figure out what is driving the shifts in market and price signals. Increased demand for ethanol is one of those drivers and without the federal government's mandate for and subsidy of ethanol there would not be significant demand because ethanol is not economically favorable.<br>
<p>
Bottom line: government subsidies, mandates, and other policies are directly affecting what farmers grow.

<p>Dr. Bill Chameides is the dean of the Nicholas School of the Environment at Duke University.</p></p></br></p></br></br></br></br></br></p></p></a></p></p></p></br></br></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by sideshow1979</title>
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				<p><strong>All true, but there's always more to the story</strong></p><p>Some random comments:<br>
While current policies incentivize corn production, so did the supply management policies of the past. &nbsp;I agree that the emphasis moved production over price in the 70s (for whatever reason). &nbsp;But as long as farm programs have existed, corn (and other eligible commodities) have received an economic subsidy. &nbsp;The amount of that subsidy is worth discussing, but it has been there since the 30s. &nbsp;I get tired of the view that somehow farm programs before the 80s created some sort of farmer and consumer paradise.</p><p>
There are three main types of farm programs- directs, countercyclicals, and marketing loans (LDPs). &nbsp;The current target price is $2.63 (though the farmer does not get a countercyclical payment until the price falls to $2.35, because the direct payment is subtracted from the countercyclical target price). &nbsp;Usually, the USDA does not get to keep the money that is not spent as a result of high prices; that money is taken out of the budget baseline for the next farm bill, though the budget forecasts are occasionally behind the times.</p><p>
The ethanol tax credit is 51 cents per gallon. &nbsp;A little under 3 bushels of corn make a gallon of ethanol. &nbsp;Therefore one could argue that the ethanol tax credit adds $1.50 to the price of corn, but that credit is for the blender (ie oil company) so it doesn't all pass through. &nbsp;The RFS standard is another discussion.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>All true, but there's always more to the story</strong></p><p>Some random comments:<br>
While current policies incentivize corn production, so did the supply management policies of the past. &nbsp;I agree that the emphasis moved production over price in the 70s (for whatever reason). &nbsp;But as long as farm programs have existed, corn (and other eligible commodities) have received an economic subsidy. &nbsp;The amount of that subsidy is worth discussing, but it has been there since the 30s. &nbsp;I get tired of the view that somehow farm programs before the 80s created some sort of farmer and consumer paradise.</p><p>
There are three main types of farm programs- directs, countercyclicals, and marketing loans (LDPs). &nbsp;The current target price is $2.63 (though the farmer does not get a countercyclical payment until the price falls to $2.35, because the direct payment is subtracted from the countercyclical target price). &nbsp;Usually, the USDA does not get to keep the money that is not spent as a result of high prices; that money is taken out of the budget baseline for the next farm bill, though the budget forecasts are occasionally behind the times.</p><p>
The ethanol tax credit is 51 cents per gallon. &nbsp;A little under 3 bushels of corn make a gallon of ethanol. &nbsp;Therefore one could argue that the ethanol tax credit adds $1.50 to the price of corn, but that credit is for the blender (ie oil company) so it doesn't all pass through. &nbsp;The RFS standard is another discussion.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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				<p><strong>I don't understand why you guys are arguing</strong></p><p>B. Harshaw says that when direct payments are the only subsidy going to broadacre crops, farmer decisions as to which of those crops gets planted are not materially affected by those subsidies. One can quibble over whether the payments are completely decoupled, but basically he is right. Otocco points out that the payments only apply to commodities, which discourages a grain farmer from suddenly switching to onions or tomatoes, and of course he is right.</p><p>
Bill Chameides says, "yes, but what about the ethanol subsidy? That's very distorting", and Sideshow1979 points out that they do raise the market price for corn. It looks to me that B. Harshaw agrees.</p><p>
So what's there to argue?

<p>These are only my personal opinions.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>I don't understand why you guys are arguing</strong></p><p>B. Harshaw says that when direct payments are the only subsidy going to broadacre crops, farmer decisions as to which of those crops gets planted are not materially affected by those subsidies. One can quibble over whether the payments are completely decoupled, but basically he is right. Otocco points out that the payments only apply to commodities, which discourages a grain farmer from suddenly switching to onions or tomatoes, and of course he is right.</p><p>
Bill Chameides says, "yes, but what about the ethanol subsidy? That's very distorting", and Sideshow1979 points out that they do raise the market price for corn. It looks to me that B. Harshaw agrees.</p><p>
So what's there to argue?

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            <title>Comment #10 by sideshow1979</title>
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				<p><strong>I agree</strong></p><p>There really isn't a whole lot of disagreement here. &nbsp;I think everybody here is making slightly different points but they're all in agreement.</p><p>
The broad point I would make that as long as farm programs are subsidizing certain crops only, those crops have an advantage. &nbsp;And while direct payments are the only ones being paid, there is still a safety net below those that are bound to influence planting decisions now and especially if prices ever fall again, which is inevitable. </p><p>
Perhaps even more broadly, after decades of farm programs subsidizing a short list of crops, in many places the infrastructure for growing any other crop has disappeared. &nbsp;Pollan makes that point, and Tom Philpott has written about it as well in some great posts.</p>
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				<p><strong>I agree</strong></p><p>There really isn't a whole lot of disagreement here. &nbsp;I think everybody here is making slightly different points but they're all in agreement.</p><p>
The broad point I would make that as long as farm programs are subsidizing certain crops only, those crops have an advantage. &nbsp;And while direct payments are the only ones being paid, there is still a safety net below those that are bound to influence planting decisions now and especially if prices ever fall again, which is inevitable. </p><p>
Perhaps even more broadly, after decades of farm programs subsidizing a short list of crops, in many places the infrastructure for growing any other crop has disappeared. &nbsp;Pollan makes that point, and Tom Philpott has written about it as well in some great posts.</p>
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