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            <title>Comment #1 by ginin</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:25:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>CO2 Levels<p>Hi, very interesting collection of information you have about GW. Most important, it's sourced to scientific data. But today I found something that disturbed me:<p>
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1806245/posts?page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1806245/post ...<p>
Is the data shown there valid? Has this paper been confirmed/rebutted? I will appreciate your input on this one. Thanks</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>CO2 Levels<p>Hi, very interesting collection of information you have about GW. Most important, it's sourced to scientific data. But today I found something that disturbed me:<p>
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1806245/posts?page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1806245/post ...<p>
Is the data shown there valid? Has this paper been confirmed/rebutted? I will appreciate your input on this one. Thanks</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Coby Beck</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:43:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>bunk from beck<p>Hi ginin,<p>
This stuff is really ridiculous. &nbsp;I refered to an earlier and similar paper of his here:<br>
<a href="http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/10/definately-not-galileo.html" rel="nofollow">http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/10/definately-not- ...<p>
In that article are links to more scientific opinions about his conclusions and methods.<p>
I would just add that if he were correct we would require a couple of pretty serious follow up explanations. &nbsp;Firstly, if global CO2 really jumped all over the map as he claims occured in the early 20th century, why did it suddenly stop jumping and become so smooth and steady since? &nbsp;Secondly, by what mechanism is CO2 so rapidly removed from the atmosphere? &nbsp;Adding it is not such a problem, there are many places it can come from, but where did it go so rapidly? &nbsp;CO2 spikes take centuries to flux out of the atmosphere.<p>
No, this is pure unadulterated bunk.<p>
Sorry for such a tardy reply.

<p>"The problem with people who have no vices is that they tend to have some pretty annoying virtues."
-- [paraphrased] Elizabeth Taylor</p></p></p></p></p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>bunk from beck<p>Hi ginin,<p>
This stuff is really ridiculous. &nbsp;I refered to an earlier and similar paper of his here:<br>
<a href="http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/10/definately-not-galileo.html" rel="nofollow">http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/10/definately-not- ...<p>
In that article are links to more scientific opinions about his conclusions and methods.<p>
I would just add that if he were correct we would require a couple of pretty serious follow up explanations. &nbsp;Firstly, if global CO2 really jumped all over the map as he claims occured in the early 20th century, why did it suddenly stop jumping and become so smooth and steady since? &nbsp;Secondly, by what mechanism is CO2 so rapidly removed from the atmosphere? &nbsp;Adding it is not such a problem, there are many places it can come from, but where did it go so rapidly? &nbsp;CO2 spikes take centuries to flux out of the atmosphere.<p>
No, this is pure unadulterated bunk.<p>
Sorry for such a tardy reply.

<p>"The problem with people who have no vices is that they tend to have some pretty annoying virtues."
-- [paraphrased] Elizabeth Taylor</p></p></p></p></p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by theavenger</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/the-co2-rise-is-natural/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 07:11:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Newbie here</strong></p><p>Please indicate your scientific credentials that would compel one to believe your assessment of &nbsp;the merit of that article rather than the views of the author.</p>
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				<p><strong>Newbie here</strong></p><p>Please indicate your scientific credentials that would compel one to believe your assessment of &nbsp;the merit of that article rather than the views of the author.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Coby Beck</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:50:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>you want credentials?</strong></p><p>If you want scientific credentials I refer you to the fine and highly qualified people who have authored the IPCC chapters on atmospheric CO2. &nbsp;I apologize for not producing a link but I am out of town, busy, and without my bookmarks.</p><p>
I ask no one to take my word for anything, but I do think a little common sense of your own should dispatch 95% of the contrarian talking points out there, this one included. &nbsp;The rest you must either think hard about or rely on the vast majority opinion of relevant experts.

<p>"The problem with people who have no vices is that they tend to have some pretty annoying virtues."
-- [paraphrased] Elizabeth Taylor</p></p>
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				<p><strong>you want credentials?</strong></p><p>If you want scientific credentials I refer you to the fine and highly qualified people who have authored the IPCC chapters on atmospheric CO2. &nbsp;I apologize for not producing a link but I am out of town, busy, and without my bookmarks.</p><p>
I ask no one to take my word for anything, but I do think a little common sense of your own should dispatch 95% of the contrarian talking points out there, this one included. &nbsp;The rest you must either think hard about or rely on the vast majority opinion of relevant experts.

<p>"The problem with people who have no vices is that they tend to have some pretty annoying virtues."
-- [paraphrased] Elizabeth Taylor</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by MarkUK</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:48:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Alarm bells</strong></p><p>The alarm bells start going with parts like this:</p><p>
"Modern greenhouse hypothesis is based on the work of G.S. Callendar and C.D. Keeling, following S. Arrhenius, as latterly popularized by the IPCC. Review of available literature raise the question if these authors have systematically discarded a large number of valid technical papers and older atmospheric CO2 determinations because they did not fit their hypothesis? Obviously they use only a few carefully selected values from the older literature, invariably choosing results that are consistent with the hypothesis of an induced rise of CO2 in air caused by the burning of fossil fuel."</p><p>
That's not the writing of scientific article but the kind of writing you find in conspiracy novels. Suggestive questions and huge leaps in conclusions followed by the conclusion that the entire scientific community has been wrong, devious or fraudulent. Extraordinary claims ask for extraordinary evidence.</p><p>
If there is one thing scientists like it is finding mistakes in each other's papers... I've been there. If scientists had really published such bad, bad research it would by now have been thrown out.</p>
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				<p><strong>Alarm bells</strong></p><p>The alarm bells start going with parts like this:</p><p>
"Modern greenhouse hypothesis is based on the work of G.S. Callendar and C.D. Keeling, following S. Arrhenius, as latterly popularized by the IPCC. Review of available literature raise the question if these authors have systematically discarded a large number of valid technical papers and older atmospheric CO2 determinations because they did not fit their hypothesis? Obviously they use only a few carefully selected values from the older literature, invariably choosing results that are consistent with the hypothesis of an induced rise of CO2 in air caused by the burning of fossil fuel."</p><p>
That's not the writing of scientific article but the kind of writing you find in conspiracy novels. Suggestive questions and huge leaps in conclusions followed by the conclusion that the entire scientific community has been wrong, devious or fraudulent. Extraordinary claims ask for extraordinary evidence.</p><p>
If there is one thing scientists like it is finding mistakes in each other's papers... I've been there. If scientists had really published such bad, bad research it would by now have been thrown out.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by theavenger</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:21:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Credentials in the hard sciences please?</strong></p><p>I see. You do not wish to answer a valid question asked by a new reader? Links would make no difference anyway. I asked about YOUR credentials that will make me want to believe your posts, not the credentials of others who do not offer their wisdom here.</p>
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				<p><strong>Credentials in the hard sciences please?</strong></p><p>I see. You do not wish to answer a valid question asked by a new reader? Links would make no difference anyway. I asked about YOUR credentials that will make me want to believe your posts, not the credentials of others who do not offer their wisdom here.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Coby Beck</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:39:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>if you want credentials<p>read from the primary sources and the IPCC report. &nbsp;You are clearly stating that you want credentials so that you will feel comfortable believing what you read. &nbsp;I do not want you to just believe what I write, I want you to follow up on my sources. &nbsp;I do not produce any research of my own on these issues, and you should not blindly trust in my (or anyone's) opinions.<p>
We all have two and only two choices in this issue: read alot and think hard or trust well established institutions.<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/13/221250/49" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/13/221250/49

<p>"What if this weren't a hypothetical question?"
-- unknown</p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>if you want credentials<p>read from the primary sources and the IPCC report. &nbsp;You are clearly stating that you want credentials so that you will feel comfortable believing what you read. &nbsp;I do not want you to just believe what I write, I want you to follow up on my sources. &nbsp;I do not produce any research of my own on these issues, and you should not blindly trust in my (or anyone's) opinions.<p>
We all have two and only two choices in this issue: read alot and think hard or trust well established institutions.<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/13/221250/49" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/13/221250/49

<p>"What if this weren't a hypothetical question?"
-- unknown</p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:11:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Here we go<p>Sad we have stonewalling at this much of a fundamental point.<p>
Anyways this should solve things pretty easily:<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtNdVDom0GU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtNdVDom0GU<p>
Even Martin Durkin agrees that the CO2 rise is manmade. &nbsp; :P</p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Here we go<p>Sad we have stonewalling at this much of a fundamental point.<p>
Anyways this should solve things pretty easily:<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtNdVDom0GU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtNdVDom0GU<p>
Even Martin Durkin agrees that the CO2 rise is manmade. &nbsp; :P</p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 03:34:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Isotopes, or Just Dopes?<p><br>
There is still more to the case. By analyzing the isotopes of the carbon and oxygen atoms making up atmospheric CO2, in a process similar to carbon dating, scientists can and have detected a human "fingerprint."<p>
The amount of CO2 released from permafrost is enourmous.<p>
Which isotope is it? &nbsp;<p>
Second question. &nbsp; If the CO2 from fossil fuel burning is not the same isotope as atmospheric CO2, how can you be sure it has the same greenhouse gas effect as the natural CO2?<p>
Maybe this is why the hockey stick for CO2 rise is not reflected in a parallel temperature rise.<br>


<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></br></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Isotopes, or Just Dopes?<p><br>
There is still more to the case. By analyzing the isotopes of the carbon and oxygen atoms making up atmospheric CO2, in a process similar to carbon dating, scientists can and have detected a human "fingerprint."<p>
The amount of CO2 released from permafrost is enourmous.<p>
Which isotope is it? &nbsp;<p>
Second question. &nbsp; If the CO2 from fossil fuel burning is not the same isotope as atmospheric CO2, how can you be sure it has the same greenhouse gas effect as the natural CO2?<p>
Maybe this is why the hockey stick for CO2 rise is not reflected in a parallel temperature rise.<br>


<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></br></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 01:56:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Natural Beats Anthropogenic, Every Time!<p>This article clinches it:<p>
The Holocene CO2 Rise: Anthropogenic or Natural<br>
<a href="http://www.climate.unibe.ch/~stocker/papers/broecker06eos" rel="nofollow">http://www.climate.unibe.ch/~stocker/papers/broecker06eos ... ...<p>
It is evident that MIS11 was a long interglacial that was not brought to an end by the precession cycle nor will the Holocene be (MIS 1). &nbsp; Hence the cause for the CO2 rise during the last 8000 years was <strong>natural and not anthropogenic.

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
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				<p><strong>Natural Beats Anthropogenic, Every Time!<p>This article clinches it:<p>
The Holocene CO2 Rise: Anthropogenic or Natural<br>
<a href="http://www.climate.unibe.ch/~stocker/papers/broecker06eos" rel="nofollow">http://www.climate.unibe.ch/~stocker/papers/broecker06eos ... ...<p>
It is evident that MIS11 was a long interglacial that was not brought to an end by the precession cycle nor will the Holocene be (MIS 1). &nbsp; Hence the cause for the CO2 rise during the last 8000 years was <strong>natural and not anthropogenic.

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></strong></p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Delay And Deny</title>
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				<p><strong>CO2 Natural<p><br>
<a href="http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V4/N46/EDIT.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/ ...<p>
Clearly, to repeat some of the concluding words of Broecker, "we can state with some confidence that natural Holocene temperature fluctuations have been on the same scale as the human-caused effects estimated to result from greenhouse gases." &nbsp;Hence, as he continues, "we cannot assume that in the absence of human intervention, earth's temperatures would have remained stable." &nbsp;It would thus appear to be our common conclusion that we cannot unequivocally attribute any of the temperature rise of the past century and a half to CO2-induced global warming. &nbsp;And that is why, as Broecker states in an earlier paper (Broecker, 1999), there exists "adequate room for maneuvering ... for those who doubt that the buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases constitutes a substantial threat."

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				<p><strong>CO2 Natural<p><br>
<a href="http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V4/N46/EDIT.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/ ...<p>
Clearly, to repeat some of the concluding words of Broecker, "we can state with some confidence that natural Holocene temperature fluctuations have been on the same scale as the human-caused effects estimated to result from greenhouse gases." &nbsp;Hence, as he continues, "we cannot assume that in the absence of human intervention, earth's temperatures would have remained stable." &nbsp;It would thus appear to be our common conclusion that we cannot unequivocally attribute any of the temperature rise of the past century and a half to CO2-induced global warming. &nbsp;And that is why, as Broecker states in an earlier paper (Broecker, 1999), there exists "adequate room for maneuvering ... for those who doubt that the buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases constitutes a substantial threat."

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by Linda B</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:49:45 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Interesting<p>It was an interesting post well worth reading. We humans sure destroys very much when it comes to the environment. I just hope we'll improve and get better on this matter.

<p>Linda, IT Professional currently working on the <a href="http://www.lose10pounds.org" rel="nofollow">10 pounds to lose project.

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				<p><strong>Interesting<p>It was an interesting post well worth reading. We humans sure destroys very much when it comes to the environment. I just hope we'll improve and get better on this matter.

<p>Linda, IT Professional currently working on the <a href="http://www.lose10pounds.org" rel="nofollow">10 pounds to lose project.

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