<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for You have to read this to believe it]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by econpolyeco http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/ Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:10:16 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/1 Ugh

I think I'm going to be sick.  This is what happens when there is no fear of punishment.  Just spout a few "I don't recall Senators" at your hearing then sit back and wait for the book deal.

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I think I'm going to be sick.  This is what happens when there is no fear of punishment.  Just spout a few "I don't recall Senators" at your hearing then sit back and wait for the book deal.

]]> Comment #2 by plum http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/ Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:19:54 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/2 plum

Ethics. The concept is lost on these people, because ethics is fundamentally process-driven, and they don't seem well-equipped to think in process terms.

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Ethics. The concept is lost on these people, because ethics is fundamentally process-driven, and they don't seem well-equipped to think in process terms.

]]> Comment #3 by Benny Big Eye http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/ Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:31:28 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/3 Julia MacDonald AKA, nightelf

I wonder if MacDonald turned over the internal document to her teenage gaming partner for a Bloodmaw Magus Blade. They normally go for 17 gold pieces.

Benny Big Eye

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I wonder if MacDonald turned over the internal document to her teenage gaming partner for a Bloodmaw Magus Blade. They normally go for 17 gold pieces.

Benny Big Eye

]]> Comment #4 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/ Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:28:34 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/4 "I Have a Masters Degree...in SCIENCE"

Look, all it takes for these Interior department "scientists" to get a job is a B.S. degree from State U.   They are no more qualified to do research, or even judge research papers, than GW himself.

I think the government is right to limit the ability of these "wizards" to turn to punditry to enhance their bureaucratic positions.

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]]> "I Have a Masters Degree...in SCIENCE"

Look, all it takes for these Interior department "scientists" to get a job is a B.S. degree from State U.   They are no more qualified to do research, or even judge research papers, than GW himself.

I think the government is right to limit the ability of these "wizards" to turn to punditry to enhance their bureaucratic positions.

The Texeme Construct offers international text memetics construction and textcasting services. http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com

]]> Comment #5 by Sam Wells http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/ Sat, 31 Mar 2007 04:44:04 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/the-bush-administration-bringing-you-third-party-scientific-reviews-from-on/5 Balance of Policy and Teckie

Jabailo has a good point in that what comes out of the state and federal governments, especially environmental, is a balance between "the best possible science" and policy, which supposedly is founded on using "the best possible science."  The policy people get to adequately fund the science they want to pursue, so it ends up being a two-way street, call it a co-dependency if you must.  

The pendulum swings both ways.  Sometimes the activist scientists go too far and get smacked down.  In some cases the policy managers go too far and get smacked down too.  

The Bush Administration had quite a scandalous and heavy-handed approach to enphasize policy over science, but was recently smacked down by a federal judge (see NY Times science section today):

"WASHINGTON, March 30 -- A federal judge in California on Friday overturned the Bush administration's revised rules for management of the country's 155 national forests, saying that the federal Forest Service violated the basic laws ensuring that forest ecosystems have environmental safeguards."  [copyright NYT, 2007]

Ouch!

I'd like to see if the implications of this ruling could also apply to FWS and NPS regulations of exactly the same ilk.  I'd like to see is there are ramifications for the inter-agency Climate Change group.  I don't expect an instant catharsis but yeah, the pendulum does seem to be swinging back to the left, slowly but surely.  /sammie

Onward through the fog

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Jabailo has a good point in that what comes out of the state and federal governments, especially environmental, is a balance between "the best possible science" and policy, which supposedly is founded on using "the best possible science."  The policy people get to adequately fund the science they want to pursue, so it ends up being a two-way street, call it a co-dependency if you must.  

The pendulum swings both ways.  Sometimes the activist scientists go too far and get smacked down.  In some cases the policy managers go too far and get smacked down too.  

The Bush Administration had quite a scandalous and heavy-handed approach to enphasize policy over science, but was recently smacked down by a federal judge (see NY Times science section today):

"WASHINGTON, March 30 -- A federal judge in California on Friday overturned the Bush administration's revised rules for management of the country's 155 national forests, saying that the federal Forest Service violated the basic laws ensuring that forest ecosystems have environmental safeguards."  [copyright NYT, 2007]

Ouch!

I'd like to see if the implications of this ruling could also apply to FWS and NPS regulations of exactly the same ilk.  I'd like to see is there are ramifications for the inter-agency Climate Change group.  I don't expect an instant catharsis but yeah, the pendulum does seem to be swinging back to the left, slowly but surely.  /sammie

Onward through the fog

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