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            <title>Comment #1 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:57:21 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>General Fusion<p>We need to solve this problem by leaps and bounds...not by baby steps.<p>
Garage scientist aims to thwart OPEC<br>
<a href="http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2785016f-0338-4253-b594-aeee1ca49385&amp;k=57937" rel="nofollow">http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2785016f-0338- ...<p>
Few, however, embody the bold promise of new technology as well as Mr. Laberge, who has drawn around him some of the same people who first saw Ballard's promise. One of them is Michael Brown, now executive director of Chrysalix Energy Management, Canada's largest clean energy venture capital fund.<p>
"If this form of fusion works, this is worth not millions but more than billions," Mr. Brown said. "I used to say that you can have a one-comma opportunity, a two-comma opportunity or a three-comma opportunity. This may be a four-comma opportunity. You write out a number with zeroes and four commas, that's a big number."<p>
The reason: if fusion works, it will use as an energy supply a material -- deuterium -- that is so prevalent it could power all of earth's needs for millions of years. And it will do it cheaper than coal power, completely without greenhouse gases and without risk of nuclear meltdown (a coal plant produces more radiation than a fusion plant would).<p>
<a href="http://www.generalfusion.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.generalfusion.com/

<p><b><a href="http://log.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">My Log</a></b></p></a></p></p></p></p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>General Fusion<p>We need to solve this problem by leaps and bounds...not by baby steps.<p>
Garage scientist aims to thwart OPEC<br>
<a href="http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2785016f-0338-4253-b594-aeee1ca49385&amp;k=57937" rel="nofollow">http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2785016f-0338- ...<p>
Few, however, embody the bold promise of new technology as well as Mr. Laberge, who has drawn around him some of the same people who first saw Ballard's promise. One of them is Michael Brown, now executive director of Chrysalix Energy Management, Canada's largest clean energy venture capital fund.<p>
"If this form of fusion works, this is worth not millions but more than billions," Mr. Brown said. "I used to say that you can have a one-comma opportunity, a two-comma opportunity or a three-comma opportunity. This may be a four-comma opportunity. You write out a number with zeroes and four commas, that's a big number."<p>
The reason: if fusion works, it will use as an energy supply a material -- deuterium -- that is so prevalent it could power all of earth's needs for millions of years. And it will do it cheaper than coal power, completely without greenhouse gases and without risk of nuclear meltdown (a coal plant produces more radiation than a fusion plant would).<p>
<a href="http://www.generalfusion.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.generalfusion.com/

<p><b><a href="http://log.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">My Log</a></b></p></a></p></p></p></p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by GreyFlcn</title>
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				<p><strong>Lol<p>Bailo, you're always good for a laugh ;D<p>
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				<p><strong>Lol<p>Bailo, you're always good for a laugh ;D<p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Jonas</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:28:46 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Potential means something else<p>Biodiversivist, you are confusing a few things. When biofuel experts speak about the 'potential', they mean something quite different: they mean the technical potential for their production on a global scale, according to different scenarios, time horizons and sustainability criteria.<p>
You are confusing these, with (equally interesting) questions about social justice and economics. <p>
In scientific analyses of the sustainable potential of biofuels, deforestation is explicitly taken out of the equation. So there is no need for confusion here either.<p>
For example, the most comprehensive assessment of the potential of biofuels was written by scientists working for the IEA's Bioenergy Taskforces (in particular Bioenergy Task 40, which deals with global biofuels trade).<p>
In these assessments, they show that it is technically feasible to produce maximum 1300EJ of exportable biofuels by 2050 and in an explicitly <strong>sustainable manner, - that is: after <strong>all the food, fiber, fodder, fuel and forest product needs (FFFFF) of rapidly growing populations are met and <strong>without deforestation and <strong>without impacting conservation areas.<p>
That's what's meant with 'potential'. <p>
It's a spatial term. They do not delve into possible bioconversion breakthroughs or biotechnological breakthroughs. <p>
They just limit the analysis to simple factors:<br>
-what are the longterm population trends under different scenarios and in different regions?<br>
-what is the FFFFF demand under different scenarios in different regions?<br>
-and after meeting this demand, how much non-forest, non-protected, non-built up, arable land is left for bioenergy production in these regions?<br>
-and how much biofuels can you make under different agricultural technology scenarios?<p>
The answer is the technical potential, geographically distributed to account for different regional demographic and demand scenarios.<p>
So, taking the potential as a spatial concept, the question must be asked: where can these 1300EJ it be found?<p>
The answer is: in Africa (317EJ) , Latin America (221EJ) and the CIS (Russia, Baltics: 199EJ).<p>
The scientists often explicitly state that this technical potential can be increased with biotechnological and bioconversion breakthroughs. E.g. the photosynthetic efficiency of temperate crops is now only 0.3%, but a theoretical potential of 3%, or a 1000% increase is possible and biotechnology can work towards this. They mention this, but it is not taken into account.<p>
Scientific analyses of the biofuels potential are very sound and robust, and based on freely accessible data and on projections based on existing agricultural technologies. Not on biofuel technology breakthroughs.<p>
Check the most comprehensive and detailed assessment:<p>
IEA Bioenergy Task 40:<p>
Edward M.W. Smeets, Andr&#233; P.C. Faaij, Iris M. Lewandowski and Wim C. Turkenburg, <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6V3W-4M0S31R-1&amp;_user=10&amp;_coverDate=02%2F28%2F2007&amp;_rdoc=3&amp;_fmt=summary&amp;_orig=browse&amp;_srch=doc-info(%23toc%235741%232007%23999669998%23638469%23FLA%23display%23Volume)&amp;_cdi=5741&amp;_sort=d&amp;_docanchor=&amp;_ct=3&amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=10&amp;md5=8da11fc3502482d4742e8e7b75b14dcc" rel="nofollow">"A bottom-up assessment and review of global bio-energy <strong>potentials to 2050", Progress in Energy and Combustion Science, Volume 33, Issue 1, February 2007, Pages 56-106<p>
And other studies by the IEA Bioenergy Task 40, <a href="http://www.bioenergytrade.org/t40reportspapers/otherreportspublications/fairbiotradeproject20012004/00000098ae0d94705.html" rel="nofollow">here.<p>
So now we know how much biofuels we can produce without deforestation and without an unnecessary food versus fuel debate. We can produce 1300EJ by 2050 in a sustainable manner. That is around 6 times the total amount of oil currently consumed by the world.<p>
This is what the planet can carry; a simple scientific fact.<p>
On this basis - but you have to at least do the effort to recognise the basis - you can ask all kinds of non-scientific questions that deal with social justice and economics:<br>
-how are we going to help Africa and Latin America realise this potential?<br>
-do we need trade reform, farm policy reform in the US/EU, etc...<br>
-what's needed to help communities in the South participate in turning this technical potential into real potential, etc...<br>
-how to avoid multinationals from becoming the sole benefactors, etc...<p>
If you recognise the scientific fact that we can produce a huge amount of biofuels, and if you look at the geographical distribution of this potential, then you can beging to make a strong case, like we do, to promote efficient biofuels made by African farmers, over inefficient biofuels made by American or European farmers.<p>
You can begin to make a case for trade reform and the abolishment of criminal subsidies; about the need for tech transfers to the South, etc...<p>
But to repeat it once more: you are confusing the pure technical potential of biofuels (not much to debate about this; the data about the types and suitability of land and the extent of forests and future food demand etc... are all pretty straightforwards) on the one hand, and socio-economic questions on the other.<p>
Please keep them apart, because this (deliberate?) confusion could be killing a lot of people in the developing world by denying them one of their few &nbsp;chances to make a living.</p></p></p></p></br></br></br></br></p></p></p></a></p></strong></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></br></br></br></p></p></p></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Potential means something else<p>Biodiversivist, you are confusing a few things. When biofuel experts speak about the 'potential', they mean something quite different: they mean the technical potential for their production on a global scale, according to different scenarios, time horizons and sustainability criteria.<p>
You are confusing these, with (equally interesting) questions about social justice and economics. <p>
In scientific analyses of the sustainable potential of biofuels, deforestation is explicitly taken out of the equation. So there is no need for confusion here either.<p>
For example, the most comprehensive assessment of the potential of biofuels was written by scientists working for the IEA's Bioenergy Taskforces (in particular Bioenergy Task 40, which deals with global biofuels trade).<p>
In these assessments, they show that it is technically feasible to produce maximum 1300EJ of exportable biofuels by 2050 and in an explicitly <strong>sustainable manner, - that is: after <strong>all the food, fiber, fodder, fuel and forest product needs (FFFFF) of rapidly growing populations are met and <strong>without deforestation and <strong>without impacting conservation areas.<p>
That's what's meant with 'potential'. <p>
It's a spatial term. They do not delve into possible bioconversion breakthroughs or biotechnological breakthroughs. <p>
They just limit the analysis to simple factors:<br>
-what are the longterm population trends under different scenarios and in different regions?<br>
-what is the FFFFF demand under different scenarios in different regions?<br>
-and after meeting this demand, how much non-forest, non-protected, non-built up, arable land is left for bioenergy production in these regions?<br>
-and how much biofuels can you make under different agricultural technology scenarios?<p>
The answer is the technical potential, geographically distributed to account for different regional demographic and demand scenarios.<p>
So, taking the potential as a spatial concept, the question must be asked: where can these 1300EJ it be found?<p>
The answer is: in Africa (317EJ) , Latin America (221EJ) and the CIS (Russia, Baltics: 199EJ).<p>
The scientists often explicitly state that this technical potential can be increased with biotechnological and bioconversion breakthroughs. E.g. the photosynthetic efficiency of temperate crops is now only 0.3%, but a theoretical potential of 3%, or a 1000% increase is possible and biotechnology can work towards this. They mention this, but it is not taken into account.<p>
Scientific analyses of the biofuels potential are very sound and robust, and based on freely accessible data and on projections based on existing agricultural technologies. Not on biofuel technology breakthroughs.<p>
Check the most comprehensive and detailed assessment:<p>
IEA Bioenergy Task 40:<p>
Edward M.W. Smeets, Andr&#233; P.C. Faaij, Iris M. Lewandowski and Wim C. Turkenburg, <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6V3W-4M0S31R-1&amp;_user=10&amp;_coverDate=02%2F28%2F2007&amp;_rdoc=3&amp;_fmt=summary&amp;_orig=browse&amp;_srch=doc-info(%23toc%235741%232007%23999669998%23638469%23FLA%23display%23Volume)&amp;_cdi=5741&amp;_sort=d&amp;_docanchor=&amp;_ct=3&amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=10&amp;md5=8da11fc3502482d4742e8e7b75b14dcc" rel="nofollow">"A bottom-up assessment and review of global bio-energy <strong>potentials to 2050", Progress in Energy and Combustion Science, Volume 33, Issue 1, February 2007, Pages 56-106<p>
And other studies by the IEA Bioenergy Task 40, <a href="http://www.bioenergytrade.org/t40reportspapers/otherreportspublications/fairbiotradeproject20012004/00000098ae0d94705.html" rel="nofollow">here.<p>
So now we know how much biofuels we can produce without deforestation and without an unnecessary food versus fuel debate. We can produce 1300EJ by 2050 in a sustainable manner. That is around 6 times the total amount of oil currently consumed by the world.<p>
This is what the planet can carry; a simple scientific fact.<p>
On this basis - but you have to at least do the effort to recognise the basis - you can ask all kinds of non-scientific questions that deal with social justice and economics:<br>
-how are we going to help Africa and Latin America realise this potential?<br>
-do we need trade reform, farm policy reform in the US/EU, etc...<br>
-what's needed to help communities in the South participate in turning this technical potential into real potential, etc...<br>
-how to avoid multinationals from becoming the sole benefactors, etc...<p>
If you recognise the scientific fact that we can produce a huge amount of biofuels, and if you look at the geographical distribution of this potential, then you can beging to make a strong case, like we do, to promote efficient biofuels made by African farmers, over inefficient biofuels made by American or European farmers.<p>
You can begin to make a case for trade reform and the abolishment of criminal subsidies; about the need for tech transfers to the South, etc...<p>
But to repeat it once more: you are confusing the pure technical potential of biofuels (not much to debate about this; the data about the types and suitability of land and the extent of forests and future food demand etc... are all pretty straightforwards) on the one hand, and socio-economic questions on the other.<p>
Please keep them apart, because this (deliberate?) confusion could be killing a lot of people in the developing world by denying them one of their few &nbsp;chances to make a living.</p></p></p></p></br></br></br></br></p></p></p></a></p></strong></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></br></br></br></p></p></p></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Biodiversivist</title>
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				<p><strong>Jonas<p>My critique is focused on the fuels as they are being produced today. We must stop producing them unless or until we can do so in an ecologically sound and sustainable manner. <p>
I would not be critical of anyone who has managed to produce a biofuel in an ecologically sound, sustainable manner, especially if it also helped alleviate third world poverty. <p>
I wish Biopact all the luck in the world with their plan to use ecologically sound, sustainably grown biofuels as an instrument of poverty reduction. I also wish you would stop trying to use me as your scapegoat. And if you fail in your endeavors, by allowing corporations to continue to displace and enslave poor people or by furthering the destruction of the planet, I'll probably be blogging about it. So do a good job.<p>
<a href="http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1112-hance_woodlark.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1112-hance_woodlark.html<p>
<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11671-biofuel-plantations-fuel-strife-in-uganda.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11671-biofuel-plant ...<p>
<a href="http://www.utne.com/issues/2007_142/features/12610-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.utne.com/issues/2007_142/features/12610-1.html ...<p>
<a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/03/america/LA-GEN-Brazil-Debt-Slavery.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/03/america/LA-GEN- ...<p>
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1875709.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americ ...<p>
<a href="http://news.mongabay.com/2006/1214-uganda.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.mongabay.com/2006/1214-uganda.html<p>
Anybody who wants to add to these links, feel free.<p>
&nbsp;

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Jonas<p>My critique is focused on the fuels as they are being produced today. We must stop producing them unless or until we can do so in an ecologically sound and sustainable manner. <p>
I would not be critical of anyone who has managed to produce a biofuel in an ecologically sound, sustainable manner, especially if it also helped alleviate third world poverty. <p>
I wish Biopact all the luck in the world with their plan to use ecologically sound, sustainably grown biofuels as an instrument of poverty reduction. I also wish you would stop trying to use me as your scapegoat. And if you fail in your endeavors, by allowing corporations to continue to displace and enslave poor people or by furthering the destruction of the planet, I'll probably be blogging about it. So do a good job.<p>
<a href="http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1112-hance_woodlark.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1112-hance_woodlark.html<p>
<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11671-biofuel-plantations-fuel-strife-in-uganda.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11671-biofuel-plant ...<p>
<a href="http://www.utne.com/issues/2007_142/features/12610-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.utne.com/issues/2007_142/features/12610-1.html ...<p>
<a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/03/america/LA-GEN-Brazil-Debt-Slavery.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/03/america/LA-GEN- ...<p>
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1875709.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americ ...<p>
<a href="http://news.mongabay.com/2006/1214-uganda.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.mongabay.com/2006/1214-uganda.html<p>
Anybody who wants to add to these links, feel free.<p>
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<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by GreyFlcn</title>
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				<p><strong>Here's a question</strong></p><p>Does the US Renewable Fuels Standard have any sort of ecological or greenhouse mitigating mandate attached to it?</p><p>
i.e. Does it have to be actually "Green" to qualify?</p><p>
Or do things like Corn Ethanol produced using Coal Electricity qualify?</p>
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				<p><strong>Here's a question</strong></p><p>Does the US Renewable Fuels Standard have any sort of ecological or greenhouse mitigating mandate attached to it?</p><p>
i.e. Does it have to be actually "Green" to qualify?</p><p>
Or do things like Corn Ethanol produced using Coal Electricity qualify?</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by GreyFlcn</title>
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				<p><strong>Really tiny numbers<p>The scientists often explicitly state that this technical potential can be increased with biotechnological and bioconversion breakthroughs. E.g. the photosynthetic efficiency of temperate crops is now only 0.3%, but a theoretical potential of 3%, or a 1000% increase is possible and biotechnology can work towards this. They mention this, but it is not taken into account.<p>


It's probably more accurate to call it 10x. &nbsp;However it is nice to know how low the current realistic photosynthetic rate is.<p>
Hrmm lets see<br>


Take the theoretical limit of photosynthesis. 11%<br>
Apply Fischer Tropsch at 32% energy left.<br>
And yes you get about 3.52% photosynthetic rate.<p>
Catch being that this 11% photosynthetic rate plant doesn't exist outside of a some physics equations written down on a notebook.<p>
It also doesn't take into account the fact it takes energy to transport this liquid (Roughly a 12% loss), and that you lose more than half of it when burning it (60%-85% lost).<p>
And of course also that temperate also has the downside of getting half the solar energy budget per year as tropical (50% loss).<p>


Pretty much even if we're operating at the theoretical limits of physics, photosynthesis is still rather weak.<p>
Assuming the second law of thermodynamics doesn't exist.<p>


Even if we could magically achieve that 11% solar efficiency, that's still on the weak side of what solar-electric can do.<p>
If you recognise the scientific fact that we can produce a huge amount of biofuels, and if you look at the geographical distribution of this potential, then you can beging to make a strong case, like we do, to promote efficient biofuels made by African farmers, over inefficient biofuels made by American or European farmers.<p>
Well I don't really doubt that statement<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/biolimits.png" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/biolimits.png<p>
However the problem with that is that even thats still not enough.<p>
Another similar study was mentioning biodiesel production, and they were ranting about how we could meet a total 4-5% of world diesel demand.<br>
<a href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=50328" rel="nofollow">http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=50 ...<p>
3% is comparable to the amount saved by inflating our tires better.<p>
Oh yeah, and that study comes with a caveat.<br>
It assumes no vegetable oil is exported for food.</br></p></p></a></br></p></p></a></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></br></br></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Really tiny numbers<p>The scientists often explicitly state that this technical potential can be increased with biotechnological and bioconversion breakthroughs. E.g. the photosynthetic efficiency of temperate crops is now only 0.3%, but a theoretical potential of 3%, or a 1000% increase is possible and biotechnology can work towards this. They mention this, but it is not taken into account.<p>


It's probably more accurate to call it 10x. &nbsp;However it is nice to know how low the current realistic photosynthetic rate is.<p>
Hrmm lets see<br>


Take the theoretical limit of photosynthesis. 11%<br>
Apply Fischer Tropsch at 32% energy left.<br>
And yes you get about 3.52% photosynthetic rate.<p>
Catch being that this 11% photosynthetic rate plant doesn't exist outside of a some physics equations written down on a notebook.<p>
It also doesn't take into account the fact it takes energy to transport this liquid (Roughly a 12% loss), and that you lose more than half of it when burning it (60%-85% lost).<p>
And of course also that temperate also has the downside of getting half the solar energy budget per year as tropical (50% loss).<p>


Pretty much even if we're operating at the theoretical limits of physics, photosynthesis is still rather weak.<p>
Assuming the second law of thermodynamics doesn't exist.<p>


Even if we could magically achieve that 11% solar efficiency, that's still on the weak side of what solar-electric can do.<p>
If you recognise the scientific fact that we can produce a huge amount of biofuels, and if you look at the geographical distribution of this potential, then you can beging to make a strong case, like we do, to promote efficient biofuels made by African farmers, over inefficient biofuels made by American or European farmers.<p>
Well I don't really doubt that statement<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/biolimits.png" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/biolimits.png<p>
However the problem with that is that even thats still not enough.<p>
Another similar study was mentioning biodiesel production, and they were ranting about how we could meet a total 4-5% of world diesel demand.<br>
<a href="http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=50328" rel="nofollow">http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=50 ...<p>
3% is comparable to the amount saved by inflating our tires better.<p>
Oh yeah, and that study comes with a caveat.<br>
It assumes no vegetable oil is exported for food.</br></p></p></a></br></p></p></a></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></br></br></p></p></p></strong></p>
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