The logic for Gore doesn't work.

He paints a picture of everyone being suppressed and if only "they" would consent, then Al Gore would have invented the Internet, and be right on Global Warming and also be President.

But he didn't.
And he's not.
And he isn't.

That's the reality of life -- but Gore is trying to paint an alternative Universe which is Goro-centric.

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I was using the proto-nets about the time the "information superhighway" was pitched in Washington.

It is my opinion as a practitioner that the world would have looked very different (probably "silo'd" worlds owned by MS, Apple, AOL, etc.) without Gore's legislation:

http://archive.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2000/10/05/gore_in ...

I was using the proto-nets about the time the "information superhighway" was pitched in Washington.

Oh yeah?

Well I was chatting with people in different colleges from computing center at Princeton in 1981...using an IBM S/360.

And I don't think Al Gore had anything to do with it...although his name does sound a lot like ALGOL.

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I'm just waking up, sorry for being slow ...

Why don't you just believe Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf?

http://www.politechbot.com/p-01394.html

What is this personal experience stuff?  Is that the rational way to learn world history?  If you didn't see it on your networked mainframe, it didn't happen?

Do you understand the difference between "networking" and "inter-networking" then?

Al Gore seems to be a bit out of touch with the pace of invention (in the same way he seems to have only cursory knowledge of the state of climatology).

I read here:

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2000/10/39301

In January 1994, Gore gave a landmark speech at UCLA about the "information superhighway."

Well, as a matter of fact, I also gave a speech in 1994 at Mecklermedia's "Internet World" in San Jose, CA.    My speech was in March and it was an essay about how I thought the Internet fit into Marshall McLuhan's spectrum of hot and cold media (I argued the Internet was 'hot' because it was a resurgence of text as a communications media.).

What I am saying is that by 1994, the term Internet was already as common as hamburgers to the point that magazines sponsored large conferences around it.    To think that using a term like "information superhighway" in 1994 makes one some kind of pioneer is ridiculous.

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What is this personal experience stuff?  Is that the rational way to learn world history?

Or yea, just disgard everything you see or hear in real life.   Just watch the Leonardo Di Caprio documentary and turn off your brain.

That's the path to knowledge, according to Grist.

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As far back as the 1970

Yeah, along with everyone and his brother!

Gee, whiz, that was the whole Stuart Brand, Steve Jobs, era.   All the geeks said stuff like that...no brainer!

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No, very few people understood the importance of inter-networking in 1970.  Brand didn't found WELL until later.  Jobs admits that he missed the importance of networking in his Xerox visit.

A good book on this is "Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The Origins Of The Internet"

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Wizards-Stay-Up-Late/dp/06848 ...

Whoops!  There's a hit for "gore" in the index.

Please explain to me why it is so important to be stupid on this issue?

No, very few people understood the importance of inter-networking in 1970.

If by "very few people", you mean the Department of Defense...

1968 - ARPA awarded the ARPANET contract to BBN. BBN had selected a Honeywell minicomputer as the base on which they would build the switch. The physical network was constructed in 1969, linking four nodes: University of California at Los Angeles, SRI (in Stanford), University of California at Santa Barbara, and University of Utah. The network was wired together via 50 Kbps circuits.

http://www.davesite.com/webstation/net-history.shtml

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Thanks -- you've exactly captured the Gore Paradigm.

"Weaving".

What you do is take some real facts, then intertwine either your own self, or your own cause and when someone picks out the chaff from the wheat, you cry "look, that's all wheat -- how dare you question otherwise".

So, Al Gore takes some facts about natural warming, weaves in some eco-hysterial, and makes a niche for himself.    Al Gore takes a real history of the Internet, dabs a few points here and there, and suddenly, it's him "inventing it".

It's as bad as Hitler, who said, "if you want to tell a lie, tell a really big lie, because people will be less likely to question it".

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I think all you've shown me why I can't have too much hope for the human condition.

The facts in the internet thing come from Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf.  You ignore them.  The facts in the global warming thing come from the scientists who study that.  You ignore them as well.

You weave irrational and emotional claims in place of fact.

Unfortunately, you are all too typical, too human.

Such is our bounded rationality and that is what stops us from taking the simple rational steps that would benefit .... us!  That's the sad thing, we can't always be rational for our own sake.  So freakin' sad.

I can only hope ... what's the Winston Churchill quote?  Oh yeah ... "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities."

I think the nutballs and irrational Gore-hataz have about exhausted all their irrational claims.

The facts in the internet thing come from Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf.  You ignore them.  The facts in the global warming thing come from the scientists who study that.  You ignore them as well.

Remember on the Old Star Trek, they used to say stuff like:

"...the great warrior leaders: Genghis Kahn, Abraham Lincon, George Patton....Kurak of Alpha 5!"

It's always "CO2 made by Man (and land clearing) is reponsible for blah blah blah".   You are always sneaking the extra clause that is the fact breaker.  

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