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            <title>Comment #1 by Laurence Aurbach</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/the-100-meter-retract/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:28:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>(mis)analysis<p>Based on some (mis)analysis too obscure for mortal men and women to follow...<p>
It's not so obscure. Goddard simply did not understand how a map projection could affect his numbers.<p>
A map projection is a way of representing the 3-D Earth on a 2-D piece of paper (or a screen). The map projection a lot of people grew up with is Mercator. Check it out:<p>
<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Normal_Mercator_map_85deg.jpg" rel="nofollow">Mercator projection<p>
The Antarctic is HUGE -- bigger than all the other land masses. That's because the standard Mercator projection distorts the area near the poles.<p>
Now, just for fun, here's a different map projection:<p>
<a href="http://www.mgaqua.net/AquaDoc/Projections/img/Lambert%20Azimuthal%20Equal%20Area.jpg" rel="nofollow">Lambert Azimuthal Equal Area projection<p>
This one shows the size of the Antarctic in correct relationship to the size other land masses. But the shapes of the continents are distorted.<p>
In fact, all map projections have some form of distortion. It's unavoidable.<p>
But Goddard simply counted the pixels on one map projection, compared it to different map projection, and ignored the fact that they were different.<p>
That's why the NSIDC says,<p>
Such an approach is simply not valid. <p>
The proper way to calculate a comparison of ice coverage is by actually weighting the pixels by their [area] based on the map projection, which is exactly what NSIDC does.<p>
By the way, who is Steven Goddard and what are his credentials, training or background? It seems to be a mystery. Some bloggers <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/category/climate-cranks/steven-goddard/" rel="nofollow">speculate he is a pseudonym.

<p><a href="http://pedshed.net" rel="nofollow">Ped Shed Blog</a></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>(mis)analysis<p>Based on some (mis)analysis too obscure for mortal men and women to follow...<p>
It's not so obscure. Goddard simply did not understand how a map projection could affect his numbers.<p>
A map projection is a way of representing the 3-D Earth on a 2-D piece of paper (or a screen). The map projection a lot of people grew up with is Mercator. Check it out:<p>
<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Normal_Mercator_map_85deg.jpg" rel="nofollow">Mercator projection<p>
The Antarctic is HUGE -- bigger than all the other land masses. That's because the standard Mercator projection distorts the area near the poles.<p>
Now, just for fun, here's a different map projection:<p>
<a href="http://www.mgaqua.net/AquaDoc/Projections/img/Lambert%20Azimuthal%20Equal%20Area.jpg" rel="nofollow">Lambert Azimuthal Equal Area projection<p>
This one shows the size of the Antarctic in correct relationship to the size other land masses. But the shapes of the continents are distorted.<p>
In fact, all map projections have some form of distortion. It's unavoidable.<p>
But Goddard simply counted the pixels on one map projection, compared it to different map projection, and ignored the fact that they were different.<p>
That's why the NSIDC says,<p>
Such an approach is simply not valid. <p>
The proper way to calculate a comparison of ice coverage is by actually weighting the pixels by their [area] based on the map projection, which is exactly what NSIDC does.<p>
By the way, who is Steven Goddard and what are his credentials, training or background? It seems to be a mystery. Some bloggers <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/category/climate-cranks/steven-goddard/" rel="nofollow">speculate he is a pseudonym.

<p><a href="http://pedshed.net" rel="nofollow">Ped Shed Blog</a></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by wendigo</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/the-100-meter-retract/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:08:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>geography 101...</strong></p><p>...don't leave home without it.</p>
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				<p><strong>geography 101...</strong></p><p>...don't leave home without it.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Craig Allen</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/the-100-meter-retract/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:54:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Stop the presses<p>The ice extent plotted by NSIDC has taken a nose-dive in the <a href="http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png" rel="nofollow">latest plot. This is kind of wierd, the decline should be leveling off at this time of year, but has accelerated in the past week.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Stop the presses<p>The ice extent plotted by NSIDC has taken a nose-dive in the <a href="http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png" rel="nofollow">latest plot. This is kind of wierd, the decline should be leveling off at this time of year, but has accelerated in the past week.</a></p></strong></p>
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