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            <title>Comment #1 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:12:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>That'll help the roads....<p>recover from all those potholes naturally. We wouldn't want to use all that pricey asphalt now would we. <p>
I say we go with McCains idea and see how it works out. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>That'll help the roads....<p>recover from all those potholes naturally. We wouldn't want to use all that pricey asphalt now would we. <p>
I say we go with McCains idea and see how it works out. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by GRLCowan</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:45:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>How does a road get to be more of a public good<p>and more pleasing to public servants, the more gasoline or diesel fuel is burned on it? Why is a road filled with speeders and jackrabbit starters and stoppers more pleasing to them? The first question concerns EV fans and boron internal combustion fans; the second should concern anyone who has to be on or near a road that is so governed.<p>
McCain's idea is good, but it should not be temporary. That tax is evil. Put a stake in it to make sure it doesn't come back to life.<p>
<a href="http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/boron_blast.html" rel="nofollow">How shall driving gain nuclear cachet?</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>How does a road get to be more of a public good<p>and more pleasing to public servants, the more gasoline or diesel fuel is burned on it? Why is a road filled with speeders and jackrabbit starters and stoppers more pleasing to them? The first question concerns EV fans and boron internal combustion fans; the second should concern anyone who has to be on or near a road that is so governed.<p>
McCain's idea is good, but it should not be temporary. That tax is evil. Put a stake in it to make sure it doesn't come back to life.<p>
<a href="http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/boron_blast.html" rel="nofollow">How shall driving gain nuclear cachet?</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by bigTom</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:34:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Lack of understanding of basic economics.</strong></p><p>&nbsp; Setting aside the issue of our badly crumbling infrastructure, it was less than a year ago that we were treated to the collapse of the I35 bridge, these sorts of proposals are VERY bad economics. Gas is expensive because oil is scarce. Subsidizing (or cutting a tax on) something which is scarce only masks the price signal the economy is trying to send. In our case, that signal is saying, find a way to use less gas -very much less gas. Obscuring the message only delays the adaptation. The only winners of such a holiday are those with oil to sell, the price will find a new equilibrium somewhere between the old price, and the naively expected notax price. Essentially the tax holiday subsidizes the oil exporters.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;But this is wayyyyy too complicated for a 30second sound bite that appeals to the emotions. And voters have the simple complaint "Im paying too much".</p>
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				<p><strong>Lack of understanding of basic economics.</strong></p><p>&nbsp; Setting aside the issue of our badly crumbling infrastructure, it was less than a year ago that we were treated to the collapse of the I35 bridge, these sorts of proposals are VERY bad economics. Gas is expensive because oil is scarce. Subsidizing (or cutting a tax on) something which is scarce only masks the price signal the economy is trying to send. In our case, that signal is saying, find a way to use less gas -very much less gas. Obscuring the message only delays the adaptation. The only winners of such a holiday are those with oil to sell, the price will find a new equilibrium somewhere between the old price, and the naively expected notax price. Essentially the tax holiday subsidizes the oil exporters.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;But this is wayyyyy too complicated for a 30second sound bite that appeals to the emotions. And voters have the simple complaint "Im paying too much".</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:50:57 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Big Cookie For Free&quot;<p>It's the heart of Republican politics. It never works but people keep buying tickets anyway. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Big Cookie For Free&quot;<p>It's the heart of Republican politics. It never works but people keep buying tickets anyway. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by GonzoDon</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:42:02 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Teachable Moment</strong></p><p>Dubya never bothered to ask loyal, god-fearing, patriotic Americans to make any kind of personal sacrifice for his moronic and ill-fated war on Iraq (except for those admirable kids who sign up to serve, and the families back home who worry sick about them).</p><p>
The least he could have asked, and the least we could do (even those of us who never supported Bush's Iraq war!) is pay the costs of that war as we go. &nbsp;A 'war tax' on gasoline at the pump would be the most sensible method -- a reminder each time we fill up that kids are dying halfway around the world to keep that pump supplied with petroleum, and a reward to the heroism and, yes, patriotism of those who have structured their lives to consume little or no gasoline.</p><p>
But, of course, the Bush Administration has no desire to remind Americans of any such reality. &nbsp;They would rather put the cost of the war on a credit card that our children, poor bastards, will have to spend their professional lives paying off. &nbsp;</p><p>
I don't hear many people bitching about that obvious injustice. &nbsp;Most North Americans would rather live in a fantasy world in which they think we can get something for nothing. &nbsp;Unfortunately $4-a-gallon gasoline, like dead American soldiers shipped back from Iraq, doesn't fit that tidy little worldview. &nbsp;</p><p>
So the logical next step? &nbsp;Why, eliminate that inconvenient 18-cent federal tax on a gallon of gas!</p><p>
Sigh. &nbsp;Another "teachable moment" lost to political expediency.</p><p>
Jesus H. freakin' Christ. &nbsp;We are a country full of spoiled brats stepping on the accelerator as we approach the cliff. &nbsp;I like to think that we can respond to the better angels of our nature, but the evidence to date is not very encouraging. &nbsp;McCain may be our next president for the simple reason that he is the candidate most willing to play along with our self-absorbed fantasy.<br>
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				<p><strong>Teachable Moment</strong></p><p>Dubya never bothered to ask loyal, god-fearing, patriotic Americans to make any kind of personal sacrifice for his moronic and ill-fated war on Iraq (except for those admirable kids who sign up to serve, and the families back home who worry sick about them).</p><p>
The least he could have asked, and the least we could do (even those of us who never supported Bush's Iraq war!) is pay the costs of that war as we go. &nbsp;A 'war tax' on gasoline at the pump would be the most sensible method -- a reminder each time we fill up that kids are dying halfway around the world to keep that pump supplied with petroleum, and a reward to the heroism and, yes, patriotism of those who have structured their lives to consume little or no gasoline.</p><p>
But, of course, the Bush Administration has no desire to remind Americans of any such reality. &nbsp;They would rather put the cost of the war on a credit card that our children, poor bastards, will have to spend their professional lives paying off. &nbsp;</p><p>
I don't hear many people bitching about that obvious injustice. &nbsp;Most North Americans would rather live in a fantasy world in which they think we can get something for nothing. &nbsp;Unfortunately $4-a-gallon gasoline, like dead American soldiers shipped back from Iraq, doesn't fit that tidy little worldview. &nbsp;</p><p>
So the logical next step? &nbsp;Why, eliminate that inconvenient 18-cent federal tax on a gallon of gas!</p><p>
Sigh. &nbsp;Another "teachable moment" lost to political expediency.</p><p>
Jesus H. freakin' Christ. &nbsp;We are a country full of spoiled brats stepping on the accelerator as we approach the cliff. &nbsp;I like to think that we can respond to the better angels of our nature, but the evidence to date is not very encouraging. &nbsp;McCain may be our next president for the simple reason that he is the candidate most willing to play along with our self-absorbed fantasy.<br>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:28:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Don't Worry About The Government<p>Alternative technology is doing great.<p>
The best thing Guv-Urn-Mint can do is to step back.<p>
The best thing President McCain could do is halve the size of all non-military functions.<p>
Here, look at this article on a nice wind turbine with super duper batteries, no less. <p>
<a href="http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=428" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=428<p>
The giant wind turbines on the west coast of Ireland stand not only on the geographical limits of Europe, but also on the cutting edge of a revolutionary technology that makes wind power more reliable and valuable. The 32 megawatt (MW) Sorne Hill wind park will be Europe's first to integrate a large scale battery back-up system that ensures a reliable supply of electricity regardless of how the wind blows.<p>
"The battery enables large amounts of energy from wind or solar power to be stored, managed, controlled and sent into the electricity grid when it is needed. It doesn't matter whether the wind is blowing or not; the battery makes the electricity output predictable and reliable," said Tim Hennessy, CEO of VRB Power Systems, the battery manufacturer based in Vancouver, Canada.

<p>Possibly the best Alternative Energy blog I read: <a href="http://newenergyandfuel.com/" rel="nofollow">New Energy and Fuel</a></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Don't Worry About The Government<p>Alternative technology is doing great.<p>
The best thing Guv-Urn-Mint can do is to step back.<p>
The best thing President McCain could do is halve the size of all non-military functions.<p>
Here, look at this article on a nice wind turbine with super duper batteries, no less. <p>
<a href="http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=428" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=428<p>
The giant wind turbines on the west coast of Ireland stand not only on the geographical limits of Europe, but also on the cutting edge of a revolutionary technology that makes wind power more reliable and valuable. The 32 megawatt (MW) Sorne Hill wind park will be Europe's first to integrate a large scale battery back-up system that ensures a reliable supply of electricity regardless of how the wind blows.<p>
"The battery enables large amounts of energy from wind or solar power to be stored, managed, controlled and sent into the electricity grid when it is needed. It doesn't matter whether the wind is blowing or not; the battery makes the electricity output predictable and reliable," said Tim Hennessy, CEO of VRB Power Systems, the battery manufacturer based in Vancouver, Canada.

<p>Possibly the best Alternative Energy blog I read: <a href="http://newenergyandfuel.com/" rel="nofollow">New Energy and Fuel</a></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Sean Casten</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:38:26 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Another sign the Rs have lost their way</strong></p><p>They used to be the party of fiscal responsibility. &nbsp;But parse what McCain is proposing and it essentially says that we should keep funding the military (out of income taxes) but stop paying gas taxes. &nbsp;This is what economists refer to as stealing from Peter to pay Paul. &nbsp;If you want rational market behavior, make sure the price reflects the cost. &nbsp;If you want irrational market behavior, pay the costs out of one pocket and set the price elsewhere - which is exactly what McCain is now proposing.</p><p>
The Ds have never really embraced that principle, but the Rs used to - or at least paid lip service to it. &nbsp;Now they're not even trying. &nbsp;One more reason they really need a thorough ass-whooping in this next election if they're ever going to rediscover their roots.</p>
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				<p><strong>Another sign the Rs have lost their way</strong></p><p>They used to be the party of fiscal responsibility. &nbsp;But parse what McCain is proposing and it essentially says that we should keep funding the military (out of income taxes) but stop paying gas taxes. &nbsp;This is what economists refer to as stealing from Peter to pay Paul. &nbsp;If you want rational market behavior, make sure the price reflects the cost. &nbsp;If you want irrational market behavior, pay the costs out of one pocket and set the price elsewhere - which is exactly what McCain is now proposing.</p><p>
The Ds have never really embraced that principle, but the Rs used to - or at least paid lip service to it. &nbsp;Now they're not even trying. &nbsp;One more reason they really need a thorough ass-whooping in this next election if they're ever going to rediscover their roots.</p>
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