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            <title>Comment #1 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:53:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Fresh and Natural<p><br>
Grist explores coal, nuclear and wind and solar extensively.<p>
But what about the "clean hydrocarbon", natural gas?<p>
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" The world will rely on fossil fuels as its main source of energy for decades to come. And natural gas is the cleanest fossil fuel of all"

<p>"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -- Galileo</p></p></a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Fresh and Natural<p><br>
Grist explores coal, nuclear and wind and solar extensively.<p>
But what about the "clean hydrocarbon", natural gas?<p>
<a href="http://www.bp.com/subsection.do?categoryId=9013383&amp;contentId=7026163" rel="nofollow">http://www.bp.com/subsection.do?categoryId=9013383&amp;co ...<p>
" The world will rely on fossil fuels as its main source of energy for decades to come. And natural gas is the cleanest fossil fuel of all"

<p>"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -- Galileo</p></p></a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Sean Casten</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:03:33 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Jabailo - not about the fuel</strong></p><p>I am admittedly guilty of this, but the relevant question is not which fuel (or tech) is best. &nbsp;It is rather "what do we need to do to get more useful energy out of every Btu of primary energy?" &nbsp;Whether we do that by extracting solar and wind power, by chasing energy efficiency or through hybrid vehicles, those are all good paths. &nbsp;But building inefficient, central coal/gas/oil/nuclear plants that is unnecessarily expensive, unnecessarily dirty and accelerates the depletion of resources is stupid. &nbsp;Notwithstanding the fact that it's the standard approach.</p>
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				<p><strong>Jabailo - not about the fuel</strong></p><p>I am admittedly guilty of this, but the relevant question is not which fuel (or tech) is best. &nbsp;It is rather "what do we need to do to get more useful energy out of every Btu of primary energy?" &nbsp;Whether we do that by extracting solar and wind power, by chasing energy efficiency or through hybrid vehicles, those are all good paths. &nbsp;But building inefficient, central coal/gas/oil/nuclear plants that is unnecessarily expensive, unnecessarily dirty and accelerates the depletion of resources is stupid. &nbsp;Notwithstanding the fact that it's the standard approach.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Pompey Road</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:18:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Spot Market</strong></p><p>The price of coal has doubled on the spot market in the last few months. Most coal companies now are bound by long term contracts. </p><p>
When the long term contracts expire and as new ones are entered into, watch and see how cheap coal really is! 

<p>The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Spot Market</strong></p><p>The price of coal has doubled on the spot market in the last few months. Most coal companies now are bound by long term contracts. </p><p>
When the long term contracts expire and as new ones are entered into, watch and see how cheap coal really is! 

<p>The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Sean Casten</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:12:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>PR - you're right</strong></p><p>This is also true for distribution utilities that currently have the benefit of long-term power contracts with wholesale suppliers that are "underwater" at current prices.</p><p>
But keep in mind that even though the price of coal as a fuel is up dramatically, the majority of the costs of a new coal plant are capital recovery. &nbsp;So the big spike in prices is coming not because of fuel price fluctuation (which will always have a certain degree of volatility) but because of capital costs that are innate to building Clean Air Act-compliant coal plants.</p>
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				<p><strong>PR - you're right</strong></p><p>This is also true for distribution utilities that currently have the benefit of long-term power contracts with wholesale suppliers that are "underwater" at current prices.</p><p>
But keep in mind that even though the price of coal as a fuel is up dramatically, the majority of the costs of a new coal plant are capital recovery. &nbsp;So the big spike in prices is coming not because of fuel price fluctuation (which will always have a certain degree of volatility) but because of capital costs that are innate to building Clean Air Act-compliant coal plants.</p>
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