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            <title>Comment #1 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:48:11 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Aren't mileage standards efficiency?</strong></p><p>They're not really sold that way -- but it's obvious that a more "fuel-efficient" car, as they are referred to, would decrease cost of ownership. &nbsp;So maybe instead of just the general word "efficiency", it would help to get specific. &nbsp;For instance, much of the green collar jobs Van Jones talks about are really about efficiency -- retrofitting buildings, in particular. &nbsp;So you use a few examples -- not too many -- such as "fuel-efficent cars, retrofitted buildings, efficient appliances". &nbsp;I know there's lots more, but just concentrate on 3 or 4. &nbsp;The other advantage of concrete examples is that you can then talk about all the jobs that are generated making these things.</p>
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				<p><strong>Aren't mileage standards efficiency?</strong></p><p>They're not really sold that way -- but it's obvious that a more "fuel-efficient" car, as they are referred to, would decrease cost of ownership. &nbsp;So maybe instead of just the general word "efficiency", it would help to get specific. &nbsp;For instance, much of the green collar jobs Van Jones talks about are really about efficiency -- retrofitting buildings, in particular. &nbsp;So you use a few examples -- not too many -- such as "fuel-efficent cars, retrofitted buildings, efficient appliances". &nbsp;I know there's lots more, but just concentrate on 3 or 4. &nbsp;The other advantage of concrete examples is that you can then talk about all the jobs that are generated making these things.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Russ</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:58:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>represent</strong></p><p>I'm not sure how to go about rep this state of affairs. There are certain intrinsic difficulties in selling efficiency -- which is not so much a thing as an absence -- in a culture obsessed with exploration and energy supply. Thus far the wonks don't seem to be getting through.<br>
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I've always liked constructions like, "Detroit is America's biggest oilfield", i.e. the best domestic oil source is greater auto efficiency.<br>
(I forget where I got that quote.)</p><p>
Maybe think of other ways to recast the "absence" as a concrete thing, or the mirror image of it.</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>represent</strong></p><p>I'm not sure how to go about rep this state of affairs. There are certain intrinsic difficulties in selling efficiency -- which is not so much a thing as an absence -- in a culture obsessed with exploration and energy supply. Thus far the wonks don't seem to be getting through.<br>
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I've always liked constructions like, "Detroit is America's biggest oilfield", i.e. the best domestic oil source is greater auto efficiency.<br>
(I forget where I got that quote.)</p><p>
Maybe think of other ways to recast the "absence" as a concrete thing, or the mirror image of it.</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Earl Killian</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:22:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Why can't they learn from California's experience?</strong></p><p>When California addressed its greenhouse pollution in legislation (e.g. AB32, SB1368, AB1493, SB107, AB1407, SB1, etc.), it didn't pass a cap-and-trade bill. &nbsp;It passed a cap, but it left it up to state regulatory agencies to figure out how to meet the cap. Cap-and-trade is one option for the agencies, and not the one the regulatory agencies are working the hardest on. Congress should take note. They'll get a lot more done leaving the details to others.</p><p>
Efficiency is a huge help, and that's why so much of California's regulatory agency efforts are directed that way. &nbsp;However, at best it is only half of the solution. &nbsp;That's why the alphabet soup above included SB107, California's Renewable Portfolio Standard.</p><p>
Rather than try and pass cap-and-trade legislation, Congress and the White House should:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;1. Allow/require the EPA to enforce the Clean Air Act (as directed by the Supreme Court in Massachusetts v. EPA), e.g. getting much tougher standards than the new CAFE;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;2. Adopt California policies, incentives, and regulations (e.g. Negawatts first) at the Federal level, including Title 24 and Title 20 and all the legislation listed above;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;3. Convert the US passenger fleet to PHEVs from 2010 to 2050;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;4. Fund Smart grid with V2G build out;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;5. Fund HVDC grid build out;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;6. Enact a Federal Renewable Portfolio Standard;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;7. Buy out and shutdown Fossil power plants to remove generation no longer needed from #1, #2, #6;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;8. Enact incentives for Reforestation;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;9. Improve US agricultural practices;<br>
&nbsp; 10. Limit biofuels to Ag residue feedstocks;<br>
&nbsp; 11. Use U.S. trade leverage to encourage countries that export to the U.S. to adopt greenhouse pollution policies such as our own.<br>
&nbsp; 12. Use U.S. government purchasing power to jumpstart deployment where possible.<br>
&nbsp; 13. Begin research on atmosphere to below ground sequestration of carbon (not CCS, but rather how to drawdown what is already emitted).</p><p>
Efficiency is built into #1, #2, #4, and #5.</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Why can't they learn from California's experience?</strong></p><p>When California addressed its greenhouse pollution in legislation (e.g. AB32, SB1368, AB1493, SB107, AB1407, SB1, etc.), it didn't pass a cap-and-trade bill. &nbsp;It passed a cap, but it left it up to state regulatory agencies to figure out how to meet the cap. Cap-and-trade is one option for the agencies, and not the one the regulatory agencies are working the hardest on. Congress should take note. They'll get a lot more done leaving the details to others.</p><p>
Efficiency is a huge help, and that's why so much of California's regulatory agency efforts are directed that way. &nbsp;However, at best it is only half of the solution. &nbsp;That's why the alphabet soup above included SB107, California's Renewable Portfolio Standard.</p><p>
Rather than try and pass cap-and-trade legislation, Congress and the White House should:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;1. Allow/require the EPA to enforce the Clean Air Act (as directed by the Supreme Court in Massachusetts v. EPA), e.g. getting much tougher standards than the new CAFE;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;2. Adopt California policies, incentives, and regulations (e.g. Negawatts first) at the Federal level, including Title 24 and Title 20 and all the legislation listed above;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;3. Convert the US passenger fleet to PHEVs from 2010 to 2050;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;4. Fund Smart grid with V2G build out;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;5. Fund HVDC grid build out;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;6. Enact a Federal Renewable Portfolio Standard;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;7. Buy out and shutdown Fossil power plants to remove generation no longer needed from #1, #2, #6;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;8. Enact incentives for Reforestation;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;9. Improve US agricultural practices;<br>
&nbsp; 10. Limit biofuels to Ag residue feedstocks;<br>
&nbsp; 11. Use U.S. trade leverage to encourage countries that export to the U.S. to adopt greenhouse pollution policies such as our own.<br>
&nbsp; 12. Use U.S. government purchasing power to jumpstart deployment where possible.<br>
&nbsp; 13. Begin research on atmosphere to below ground sequestration of carbon (not CCS, but rather how to drawdown what is already emitted).</p><p>
Efficiency is built into #1, #2, #4, and #5.</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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