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            <title>Comment #1 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:49:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Sweden is cool</strong></p><p></p><p>
When I talk with green grads I tell them to go to Sweden, learn, then come back to import and employ Swedish engineering and hardware.</p>
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				<p><strong>Sweden is cool</strong></p><p></p><p>
When I talk with green grads I tell them to go to Sweden, learn, then come back to import and employ Swedish engineering and hardware.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Erik Hoffner</title>
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				<p><strong>Proud to be swedish<p>But top 5? I think Sweden is closer to 10th in terms of powerful economies...14th in one ranking I just searched up. This is semantics, maybe. But I wonder how applicable anecdotes like these are to other countries, where the population is less homogeneous, and lacking a collectivist sort of zeitgeist. <p>
Booking ahead to use a car? Not in Detroit. <p>
Still, stories of Swedish green leadership give me hope...

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				<p><strong>Proud to be swedish<p>But top 5? I think Sweden is closer to 10th in terms of powerful economies...14th in one ranking I just searched up. This is semantics, maybe. But I wonder how applicable anecdotes like these are to other countries, where the population is less homogeneous, and lacking a collectivist sort of zeitgeist. <p>
Booking ahead to use a car? Not in Detroit. <p>
Still, stories of Swedish green leadership give me hope...

<p><a href="http://www.orionsociety.org/ogn" rel="nofollow">The Orion Grassroots Network: 1000+ grassroots groups working for conservation &amp; more
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            <title>Comment #3 by pcarbo</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:22:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Is that a typo?</strong></p><p>High-speed electric train --&gt; 2 grams of CO2???</p><p>
Does that seem like a reasonable number? Or perhaps they meant 2 kilograms?</p>
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				<p><strong>Is that a typo?</strong></p><p>High-speed electric train --&gt; 2 grams of CO2???</p><p>
Does that seem like a reasonable number? Or perhaps they meant 2 kilograms?</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:43:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Heat in Holder Hall<p>Gee, that reminds me...back at college they used to have centralized steam heating. &nbsp; All the radiators in the old style Gothic stone buildings had water that was shipped around from a plant down campus. &nbsp; You could tell the path of the steam pipes cause there would be a straight melted line across campus in the snow and ice.<p>
I guess that is efficient -- but doesn't it mean that a lot of heat is lost in transmission? &nbsp; Although in the cast above, I guess it would have been lost anyway.

<p>John Bailo<br>
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				<p><strong>Heat in Holder Hall<p>Gee, that reminds me...back at college they used to have centralized steam heating. &nbsp; All the radiators in the old style Gothic stone buildings had water that was shipped around from a plant down campus. &nbsp; You could tell the path of the steam pipes cause there would be a straight melted line across campus in the snow and ice.<p>
I guess that is efficient -- but doesn't it mean that a lot of heat is lost in transmission? &nbsp; Although in the cast above, I guess it would have been lost anyway.

<p>John Bailo<br>
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            <title>Comment #5 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:42:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>New district heat pipe technology</strong></p><p>They used concentric plastic pipe with hard foam insulation between the walls. &nbsp;They have trench machines that lay the pipe. &nbsp;Cities are interconnected with large pipes, as are nearly all of the buildings.</p>
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				<p><strong>New district heat pipe technology</strong></p><p>They used concentric plastic pipe with hard foam insulation between the walls. &nbsp;They have trench machines that lay the pipe. &nbsp;Cities are interconnected with large pipes, as are nearly all of the buildings.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by feonixrift</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:46:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Made me cry</strong></p><p>It's wonderful that they're working so hard, and started so early. &nbsp;Maybe this shining example will help people believe it's possible.</p><p>
I hope that wooden highrise has good fire protection though.</p>
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				<p><strong>Made me cry</strong></p><p>It's wonderful that they're working so hard, and started so early. &nbsp;Maybe this shining example will help people believe it's possible.</p><p>
I hope that wooden highrise has good fire protection though.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Green Granny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:19:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Enjoyed this story</strong></p><p>I have long admired Sweden's bicycle roads, mass transit systems, and municipal hot-water heat that also melts snow and ice on key roads and sidewalks in several towns and cities, not just Vaxjo. &nbsp;Add to that wonderful nationwide health care, child care, and education systems. . . not to mention dedication to military neutrality and peace keeping. They are a model for other nations to imitate.</p><p>
I am far more concerned about cooling my home than with heating it, however. &nbsp;Hot, muggy, midwestern summers are down right uncomfortable without central air. &nbsp;I've managed to make it through most of June without turning on my central air (supposedly "energy efficient")but I don't know that I'll manage to make it through July and August with just a few fans.</p><p>
Any suggestions on staying cool other than camping out in a swimming pool?

<p>"We must be the change we wish to see in the world."  -- Mahatma Ghandi</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Enjoyed this story</strong></p><p>I have long admired Sweden's bicycle roads, mass transit systems, and municipal hot-water heat that also melts snow and ice on key roads and sidewalks in several towns and cities, not just Vaxjo. &nbsp;Add to that wonderful nationwide health care, child care, and education systems. . . not to mention dedication to military neutrality and peace keeping. They are a model for other nations to imitate.</p><p>
I am far more concerned about cooling my home than with heating it, however. &nbsp;Hot, muggy, midwestern summers are down right uncomfortable without central air. &nbsp;I've managed to make it through most of June without turning on my central air (supposedly "energy efficient")but I don't know that I'll manage to make it through July and August with just a few fans.</p><p>
Any suggestions on staying cool other than camping out in a swimming pool?

<p>"We must be the change we wish to see in the world."  -- Mahatma Ghandi</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Nucbuddy</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:12:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>How to passively stay cool<p>Any suggestions on staying cool other than camping out in a swimming pool?<p>
You could buy or build one of these:<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/pres/alt-energy" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/pres/alt-energy<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/renewable" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/renewable<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/pres/freshair" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/pres/freshair<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/green" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/green<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/hvac_home" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/hvac_home</a></br></a></br></a></br></a></br></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>How to passively stay cool<p>Any suggestions on staying cool other than camping out in a swimming pool?<p>
You could buy or build one of these:<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/pres/alt-energy" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/pres/alt-energy<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/renewable" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/renewable<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/pres/freshair" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/pres/freshair<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/green" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/green<br>
<a href="http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/hvac_home" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com/plan-design/hvac_home</a></br></a></br></a></br></a></br></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Bart Anderson</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/sweden-leadn/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:20:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Great quote<p>"Uh-oh, out of money -- time to think!" Love it! <p>
Maybe we could re-phrase it to say, "Uh-oh, <b>out of cheap energy -- time to think. 

<p>Bart<br>
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				<p><strong>Great quote<p>"Uh-oh, out of money -- time to think!" Love it! <p>
Maybe we could re-phrase it to say, "Uh-oh, <b>out of cheap energy -- time to think. 

<p>Bart<br>
<a href="http://energybulletin.net" rel="nofollow">Energy Bulletin</a></br></p></b></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by atreyger</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:36:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>If the pipes are laid under streets or sidewalks,</strong></p><p>Good idea, I think otherwise it becomes inefficient: my grandfather, a construction engineer with forty or fifty years experience in Russia is convinced that individual boilers are more efficient than a centralized heating facility a la Moscow's heating. Granted that this system is aging and wasn't terribly efficient to start with, but the same could be said for plentiful octupi(uses?) that occupy basements in Syracuse and other central NY locations. I will go with his experience.</p><p>
I think the only way that centralization would be a boon is if the buildings are very close to the facility, and in a large city, heat losses would be too great to call it efficient.</p>
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				<p><strong>If the pipes are laid under streets or sidewalks,</strong></p><p>Good idea, I think otherwise it becomes inefficient: my grandfather, a construction engineer with forty or fifty years experience in Russia is convinced that individual boilers are more efficient than a centralized heating facility a la Moscow's heating. Granted that this system is aging and wasn't terribly efficient to start with, but the same could be said for plentiful octupi(uses?) that occupy basements in Syracuse and other central NY locations. I will go with his experience.</p><p>
I think the only way that centralization would be a boon is if the buildings are very close to the facility, and in a large city, heat losses would be too great to call it efficient.</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by tomlofft</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:25:27 -0700</pubDate>
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Go: <a href="http://www.geoexchange.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.geoexchange.com/<br>
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				<p><strong>Staying Cool, Staying Warm, No Carbon Emission<p>Geo Thermal Heat Pump systems use no carbon fuel, store no fire hazards, produce no emissions, need no cooling towers to add heat to the overheated summer atmosphere, last longer, run with more reliability, much lower operating costs, and require no outdoor pumps or compressers.<br>
Go: <a href="http://www.geoexchange.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.geoexchange.com/<br>
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            <title>Comment #12 by Payton Chung</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:10:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Electric train</strong></p><p>The motive power for the train comes off their nearly carbon-free electric grid. Hence yes, it's possible that a ride on the train generates almost no carbon dioxide.</p><p>
Co-generation (using waste heat from electric generation) and district heating/cooling (which can be done with a ground source heat pump) are technologies that are as yet underappreciated within green building circles -- mostly because they require that we think on a larger scale than the individual building, and do require rather high densities. However, many downtown areas and college campuses have realized the cost and fuel savings of such systems.</p><p>
Using the energy to clear sidewalks also keeps poisonous salt out of surface waters.</p>
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				<p><strong>Electric train</strong></p><p>The motive power for the train comes off their nearly carbon-free electric grid. Hence yes, it's possible that a ride on the train generates almost no carbon dioxide.</p><p>
Co-generation (using waste heat from electric generation) and district heating/cooling (which can be done with a ground source heat pump) are technologies that are as yet underappreciated within green building circles -- mostly because they require that we think on a larger scale than the individual building, and do require rather high densities. However, many downtown areas and college campuses have realized the cost and fuel savings of such systems.</p><p>
Using the energy to clear sidewalks also keeps poisonous salt out of surface waters.</p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by halcyon</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:18:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Sweden no.3 in Global competitiveness report 06/07</strong></p><p>"Switzerland, Finland and Sweden are the world's most competitive economies according to The Global Competitiveness Report 2006-2007, released by the World Economic Forum on 26 September 2006. "</p><p>
I think this is what the author of the original article was referring to.</p><p>
Relative competitiveness rank, not absolute size of the economy.<br>
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				<p><strong>Sweden no.3 in Global competitiveness report 06/07</strong></p><p>"Switzerland, Finland and Sweden are the world's most competitive economies according to The Global Competitiveness Report 2006-2007, released by the World Economic Forum on 26 September 2006. "</p><p>
I think this is what the author of the original article was referring to.</p><p>
Relative competitiveness rank, not absolute size of the economy.<br>
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            <title>Comment #14 by Erik Hoffner</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:00:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>no. 3<p>Ah, thanks for looking that up. That's what the author was probably aiming at, you're right.<br>


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				<p><strong>no. 3<p>Ah, thanks for looking that up. That's what the author was probably aiming at, you're right.<br>


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            <title>Comment #15 by ethanol</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:08:12 -0700</pubDate>
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