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            <title>Comment #1 by DrColes</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/strange-bedfellows-in-climate-politics/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 05:22:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>CO2 and Climate Change<p>It is amazing how folks just keep talking about a false premise/issue of CO2 causing climate change. &nbsp;They are both poorly educated and misled by a party line or economic criminals.<p>
Current incompetent stories regarding CO2 Causing Climate Change are a fraud.<p>
When you base anything on a false premise everything else that follows is false. &nbsp;CO2 causing climate change IS a false premise.<p>
Consensus is NOT science. &nbsp;Educate, inform yourself, take a 9th grade science class.<p>
Additional information <a href="http://www.InteliOrg.com/co2_climate_change.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.InteliOrg.com/co2_climate_change.html<p>
Stop listening to folks that have a financial interest in the subject. Unfortunately, many have learned to spin information, thusly have become intellectually and academically dishonest.<p>
Information Vetting: I have no financial interest in this subject.</p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>CO2 and Climate Change<p>It is amazing how folks just keep talking about a false premise/issue of CO2 causing climate change. &nbsp;They are both poorly educated and misled by a party line or economic criminals.<p>
Current incompetent stories regarding CO2 Causing Climate Change are a fraud.<p>
When you base anything on a false premise everything else that follows is false. &nbsp;CO2 causing climate change IS a false premise.<p>
Consensus is NOT science. &nbsp;Educate, inform yourself, take a 9th grade science class.<p>
Additional information <a href="http://www.InteliOrg.com/co2_climate_change.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.InteliOrg.com/co2_climate_change.html<p>
Stop listening to folks that have a financial interest in the subject. Unfortunately, many have learned to spin information, thusly have become intellectually and academically dishonest.<p>
Information Vetting: I have no financial interest in this subject.</p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 05:23:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Don't feed the trolls, people.</strong></p><p>

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				<p><strong>Don't feed the trolls, people.</strong></p><p>

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            <title>Comment #3 by Whiskerfish</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 05:51:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Monbiot</strong></p><p>had a go at Cockburn for this. V succinct. Google it.</p><p>
Whiskerfish</p>
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				<p><strong>Monbiot</strong></p><p>had a go at Cockburn for this. V succinct. Google it.</p><p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by pecan tower</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 06:24:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>on the origin of oil</strong></p><p>on the origin of oil... i've read thomas gold's "deep hot biosphere"; i thought the matter was unsettled? &nbsp;not that this makes cockburn sane, or anything.</p>
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				<p><strong>on the origin of oil</strong></p><p>on the origin of oil... i've read thomas gold's "deep hot biosphere"; i thought the matter was unsettled? &nbsp;not that this makes cockburn sane, or anything.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 07:19:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cockburn points to some important points...<p>...although he mucks it up with his ersatz science but I think if you look at the things he is upset about, plus what his coeditor at Counterpunch, Jeffrey St. Clair, who is not a skeptic, say on the subject, there are a number of concerns they have that are not too dissimiar to what I've seen on Gristmill. &nbsp;For instance, they are worried about cap-and-trade, ethanol, a nuke rebirth, "clean coal", the behavior of Big Enviro (I talk more about this with links ,<a href="http://jonrynn.blogspot.com/2007/05/where-is-global-warming-left.html" rel="nofollow">at my personal blog). &nbsp;I think that these issus are more important at this point than the occasional "scientific" diatribe from a skeptic.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Cockburn points to some important points...<p>...although he mucks it up with his ersatz science but I think if you look at the things he is upset about, plus what his coeditor at Counterpunch, Jeffrey St. Clair, who is not a skeptic, say on the subject, there are a number of concerns they have that are not too dissimiar to what I've seen on Gristmill. &nbsp;For instance, they are worried about cap-and-trade, ethanol, a nuke rebirth, "clean coal", the behavior of Big Enviro (I talk more about this with links ,<a href="http://jonrynn.blogspot.com/2007/05/where-is-global-warming-left.html" rel="nofollow">at my personal blog). &nbsp;I think that these issus are more important at this point than the occasional "scientific" diatribe from a skeptic.</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Colin Wright</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 08:59:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Is IPPC beyond criticism?<p>I wouldn't take Cockburn's critique too seriously as he's not a scientist. But Kjell Aleklett, a petroleum geologist from Upssalla university in Sweden and president of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil chastizes IPPC not not taking honest account of the amount of hydrocarbons actually remaining in the Earth. In his analysis there just aren't enough to produce any of the senarios IPPC envisions (A1/A2/B1/B2). <p>
IMO, this is a much bigger problem for IPPC than a few unschooled gadflies like Cockburn.<p>
<a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/29845.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybulletin.net/29845.html<p>
Mind you, I'm still very worried about the possibility of a runaway greenhouse effect, given the kinds of things we're already noticing.</p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Is IPPC beyond criticism?<p>I wouldn't take Cockburn's critique too seriously as he's not a scientist. But Kjell Aleklett, a petroleum geologist from Upssalla university in Sweden and president of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil chastizes IPPC not not taking honest account of the amount of hydrocarbons actually remaining in the Earth. In his analysis there just aren't enough to produce any of the senarios IPPC envisions (A1/A2/B1/B2). <p>
IMO, this is a much bigger problem for IPPC than a few unschooled gadflies like Cockburn.<p>
<a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/29845.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybulletin.net/29845.html<p>
Mind you, I'm still very worried about the possibility of a runaway greenhouse effect, given the kinds of things we're already noticing.</p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by socialscientist</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:13:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>solutions<p>George, your handling of Cockburn was excellent, as usual. You need not agonize over sequestration. There is another way.<p>
<a href="http://www.freepublictransit.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepublictransit.org<p>
equal to the carbon tax as a solution. You have to think about FPT a while, it is NOT intuitive.<p>
keep up the good work.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>solutions<p>George, your handling of Cockburn was excellent, as usual. You need not agonize over sequestration. There is another way.<p>
<a href="http://www.freepublictransit.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepublictransit.org<p>
equal to the carbon tax as a solution. You have to think about FPT a while, it is NOT intuitive.<p>
keep up the good work.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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