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            <title>Comment #1 by wesrolley</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:50:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Assume?</strong></p><p>David, there is the old addage that to assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me". </p><p>
You assume too much about Mainstream Media. &nbsp;Do you actually think that John "Give Me a break" Stossel will cover this? &nbsp;Actually, his comments on "The Globe is Warming, but Why? The Debated is Not Over" carries 738 comments. &nbsp;How many posts here carry attract that much attention, even though the truth is here, not there. (In all fairness, I did not count the number calling Stossel an idiot versus the number calling him a hero). &nbsp;</p><p>
How do we break past this? &nbsp;I really wonder. &nbsp;It is about as important as anything we need to do. 

<p>Wes Rolley

CoChair - EcoAction Committee
Green Party US</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Assume?</strong></p><p>David, there is the old addage that to assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me". </p><p>
You assume too much about Mainstream Media. &nbsp;Do you actually think that John "Give Me a break" Stossel will cover this? &nbsp;Actually, his comments on "The Globe is Warming, but Why? The Debated is Not Over" carries 738 comments. &nbsp;How many posts here carry attract that much attention, even though the truth is here, not there. (In all fairness, I did not count the number calling Stossel an idiot versus the number calling him a hero). &nbsp;</p><p>
How do we break past this? &nbsp;I really wonder. &nbsp;It is about as important as anything we need to do. 

<p>Wes Rolley

CoChair - EcoAction Committee
Green Party US</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by gzuckier</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 04:32:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>now i'm mad.</strong></p><p>i am so pissed. i suppose I'm not good enough to have my name on the list, eh? sure, Dr. David Sugden, Professor of Geography, University of Edinburgh is important enough to lie about his stance on global warming, but the Heartland Institute doesn't think I'm important enough to lie about. Hmph.<br>
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				<p><strong>now i'm mad.</strong></p><p>i am so pissed. i suppose I'm not good enough to have my name on the list, eh? sure, Dr. David Sugden, Professor of Geography, University of Edinburgh is important enough to lie about his stance on global warming, but the Heartland Institute doesn't think I'm important enough to lie about. Hmph.<br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Sean Casten</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 05:46:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Fight back!<p>We, the undersigned <a href="http://nobelprizes.com/" rel="nofollow">highly-respected scientists hereby find scientific proof that all employees of the Heartland Institute are addicted to homosexual bestiality.<p>
Signed,<p>
Albert Furt<br>
Peter Grunberg<br>
John Mather<br>
George Smoot<br>
Roy Glauber<br>
John Hall<br>
Theodor Hansch<br>
David Gross<br>
H. David Politzer<br>
Frank Wilczek<br>
Alexei Abriskosov<br>
Vitaly Ginzburg<br>
Masatoshi Koshiba<br>
Raymond Davis Jr.<br>
Eric Cornell<br>
Wolfgang Keiterle<br>
Carl Weiman<p>
Unless you hear back from every single one of these guys claiming I made this up, you will have to conclude that it is at least partially true. <p>
<strong>Keep your pets away from Heartland!<br>
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				<p><strong>Fight back!<p>We, the undersigned <a href="http://nobelprizes.com/" rel="nofollow">highly-respected scientists hereby find scientific proof that all employees of the Heartland Institute are addicted to homosexual bestiality.<p>
Signed,<p>
Albert Furt<br>
Peter Grunberg<br>
John Mather<br>
George Smoot<br>
Roy Glauber<br>
John Hall<br>
Theodor Hansch<br>
David Gross<br>
H. David Politzer<br>
Frank Wilczek<br>
Alexei Abriskosov<br>
Vitaly Ginzburg<br>
Masatoshi Koshiba<br>
Raymond Davis Jr.<br>
Eric Cornell<br>
Wolfgang Keiterle<br>
Carl Weiman<p>
Unless you hear back from every single one of these guys claiming I made this up, you will have to conclude that it is at least partially true. <p>
<strong>Keep your pets away from Heartland!<br>
</br></strong></p></p></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:58:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Stossel isn't an idiot<p>He's a moron. Bush is an idiot.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Stossel isn't an idiot<p>He's a moron. Bush is an idiot.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 07:16:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>S&amp;S</strong></p><p>Frankly I am shocked to hear about Heartland's homosexual bestiality. Shocked and saddened. Not surprised, really -- you could kind of tell. But saddened. And shocked. </p><p>
BioD, I look forward to your upcoming Taxonomy of Dimwittery.

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>S&amp;S</strong></p><p>Frankly I am shocked to hear about Heartland's homosexual bestiality. Shocked and saddened. Not surprised, really -- you could kind of tell. But saddened. And shocked. </p><p>
BioD, I look forward to your upcoming Taxonomy of Dimwittery.

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by SKenzie</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 07:16:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Where are the trolls?</strong></p><p>There must be a rational explanation for this...</p><p>
Where are Manacker, Black Wallaby, or Jabaillo when we need them? &nbsp;I usually wish they would just shut up and go away, but I think it might be interesting to hear their take on this. </p>
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				<p><strong>Where are the trolls?</strong></p><p>There must be a rational explanation for this...</p><p>
Where are Manacker, Black Wallaby, or Jabaillo when we need them? &nbsp;I usually wish they would just shut up and go away, but I think it might be interesting to hear their take on this. </p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by frankbi</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:35:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Trolls are at DeSmogBlog<p>SKenzie, there are lots of trolls over at the DeSmogBlog posts. Not sure whether they're the same trolls or different trolls, not that that matters...<p>
Their take on the Heartland list? The usual conspiracy theory crap -- scientists have been coerced by invisible Bolshevist forces to make the statements they made, yadda yadda yadda.<p>
(My response to that: "Fred, been studying hammer-and-sickle patterns formed on cereal flakes? Or doing crossword puzzles to find traces of Bolshevism in Moby Dick?")<p>
(VJ's response: "He's trying to play his CDs backwards, but it doesn't work.")<p>
Plus, the ninja trolls are also throwing out lots of gratuitous smoke bombs to divert our attention to other topics.

<p>-- bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">International Journal of Inactivism</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Trolls are at DeSmogBlog<p>SKenzie, there are lots of trolls over at the DeSmogBlog posts. Not sure whether they're the same trolls or different trolls, not that that matters...<p>
Their take on the Heartland list? The usual conspiracy theory crap -- scientists have been coerced by invisible Bolshevist forces to make the statements they made, yadda yadda yadda.<p>
(My response to that: "Fred, been studying hammer-and-sickle patterns formed on cereal flakes? Or doing crossword puzzles to find traces of Bolshevism in Moby Dick?")<p>
(VJ's response: "He's trying to play his CDs backwards, but it doesn't work.")<p>
Plus, the ninja trolls are also throwing out lots of gratuitous smoke bombs to divert our attention to other topics.

<p>-- bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">International Journal of Inactivism</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by frankbi</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:54:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>And as for the inactivist _bloggers_...<p><a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/oops-crapmill-just-broke-down-on-may-day-eve/" rel="nofollow">Here's what I observed about the, um, reactions on the Heartland list from the inactivist blogosphere.

<p>-- bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">International Journal of Inactivism</a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>And as for the inactivist _bloggers_...<p><a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/oops-crapmill-just-broke-down-on-may-day-eve/" rel="nofollow">Here's what I observed about the, um, reactions on the Heartland list from the inactivist blogosphere.

<p>-- bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">International Journal of Inactivism</a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by frankbi</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:17:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dang it...<p>So why's this story not in the mainstream media already? When'll someone manage to get them to cover this story?

<p>-- bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">International Journal of Inactivism</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Dang it...<p>So why's this story not in the mainstream media already? When'll someone manage to get them to cover this story?

<p>-- bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">International Journal of Inactivism</a></p></p></strong></p>
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