<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Dear Sir, you know about that global warming thing?]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by jscorse http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/ Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:42:26 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/1 Let's wait un 08 when the Dems

are in charge of everything- which is probably the setup here

J.S. htt://voicesofreason.info

]]> Let's wait un 08 when the Dems

are in charge of everything- which is probably the setup here

J.S. htt://voicesofreason.info

]]> Comment #2 by raw411 http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/ Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:35:38 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/2 08 is too late

I disagree, it took Nixon to unfreeze China (not to mention create the EPA) and it took Clinton to reform welfare...it just might (gulp) take Bush to save the planet.  Nixon could talk to Communist china during the cold war because of his nationalist and foreign policy credentials.  Clinton was able to institute needed welfare reform because, as a Democrat, those interested in welfare trusted him to make changes toward improving and streamlining rather than cutting welfare.  Bush is obviously (and for good reason) trusted by Big Oil and the Energy industry - the two organized interests most obstructive to global warming policy.  Those with vested interests in a particular policy (Cold War hawks for Nixon, welfare advocates for Clinton) must trust the executive who is trying to affect reasonable and positive change in that area.  Oil trusts Bush, if he can be pressed with effective and well-concieved legislation, he just might realize that his presidential legacy would be well served by an about-face on this issue.  

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I disagree, it took Nixon to unfreeze China (not to mention create the EPA) and it took Clinton to reform welfare...it just might (gulp) take Bush to save the planet.  Nixon could talk to Communist china during the cold war because of his nationalist and foreign policy credentials.  Clinton was able to institute needed welfare reform because, as a Democrat, those interested in welfare trusted him to make changes toward improving and streamlining rather than cutting welfare.  Bush is obviously (and for good reason) trusted by Big Oil and the Energy industry - the two organized interests most obstructive to global warming policy.  Those with vested interests in a particular policy (Cold War hawks for Nixon, welfare advocates for Clinton) must trust the executive who is trying to affect reasonable and positive change in that area.  Oil trusts Bush, if he can be pressed with effective and well-concieved legislation, he just might realize that his presidential legacy would be well served by an about-face on this issue.  

]]> Comment #3 by bookerly http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/ Thu, 16 Nov 2006 04:28:53 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/3 Not Waiting


  Hey, if Bush would get serious about global warming, we could name the Washington Airport after him, and anything else he wants... (and I ALWAYS bash Bush every chance I get).

  Waiting is foolish, and many of the Democrats are clueless.  A letter signed by roughly six percent of their senate members is not particularly meaningful.

  Couldn't they at least get McCain or some other ambitious 2008 Repub contender to sign?

patrick

]]> Not Waiting


  Hey, if Bush would get serious about global warming, we could name the Washington Airport after him, and anything else he wants... (and I ALWAYS bash Bush every chance I get).

  Waiting is foolish, and many of the Democrats are clueless.  A letter signed by roughly six percent of their senate members is not particularly meaningful.

  Couldn't they at least get McCain or some other ambitious 2008 Repub contender to sign?

patrick

]]> Comment #4 by jscorse http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/ Thu, 16 Nov 2006 04:49:23 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/4 If you think bush is going to sign

a real comprehensive climate bill i have a bridge on sale- and we might only get 1 shot to do this right so i don't think this is a good idea at all

J.S. htt://voicesofreason.info

]]> If you think bush is going to sign

a real comprehensive climate bill i have a bridge on sale- and we might only get 1 shot to do this right so i don't think this is a good idea at all

J.S. htt://voicesofreason.info

]]> Comment #5 by jjwfmme http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/ Thu, 16 Nov 2006 05:20:07 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/5 Even if we got a Veto...

It would lay everyone's cards on the table. Until now Bush has gotten away with all this obfuscation, keeping his stand low profile. Saying vague, happy things (in accord with the Luntz memo) and doing nothing. He says all these vaguaries and then on the down low muzzles James Hanson and meets with Michael Crichton.

If this were the first veto of his presidency, the issue would be front and center, and the Republicans' attitudes would be as well. That would be good.

]]> Even if we got a Veto...

It would lay everyone's cards on the table. Until now Bush has gotten away with all this obfuscation, keeping his stand low profile. Saying vague, happy things (in accord with the Luntz memo) and doing nothing. He says all these vaguaries and then on the down low muzzles James Hanson and meets with Michael Crichton.

If this were the first veto of his presidency, the issue would be front and center, and the Republicans' attitudes would be as well. That would be good.

]]> Comment #6 by caniscandida http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/ Thu, 16 Nov 2006 05:58:36 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/6 Bush's style

Bash away, dear Patrick.  I agree with Jason, that this has more to do with the leading Democrats trying to position themselves well for 2008, rather than actually hoping to accomplish something, come January.  Bush's style is never to concede that he was wrong, and the Senators who signed the letter know that as well as anyone.  And whenever he does something that pleases environmentalists -- actually, I can only think of the creation of the marine sanctuary NW of Hawaii -- , he chooses an area that few people had at the top of their environmental agenda, so that he looks original and brilliant.  So, it is difficult to imagine him doing anything serious about carbon emissions; he would think it looks like he is caving in to pressure from his critics, something he could not abide.

Here, again, is the NY Times article, about the international meeting in Nairobi, that is summarized in Daily Grist:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/16/world/16climate.html?ex...

I suppose Kofi Annan could not directly say that he had the US in mind, when he criticized the "leadership" of certain countries.  Diplomats do not do that.

But the response of the US delegation, to the effect that Of course, Annan was not referring to the US!, is extremely disspiriting.

Chickens are our cousins! So are other sensitive animals! Enough is enough! No more factory farms!

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Bash away, dear Patrick.  I agree with Jason, that this has more to do with the leading Democrats trying to position themselves well for 2008, rather than actually hoping to accomplish something, come January.  Bush's style is never to concede that he was wrong, and the Senators who signed the letter know that as well as anyone.  And whenever he does something that pleases environmentalists -- actually, I can only think of the creation of the marine sanctuary NW of Hawaii -- , he chooses an area that few people had at the top of their environmental agenda, so that he looks original and brilliant.  So, it is difficult to imagine him doing anything serious about carbon emissions; he would think it looks like he is caving in to pressure from his critics, something he could not abide.

Here, again, is the NY Times article, about the international meeting in Nairobi, that is summarized in Daily Grist:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/16/world/16climate.html?ex...

I suppose Kofi Annan could not directly say that he had the US in mind, when he criticized the "leadership" of certain countries.  Diplomats do not do that.

But the response of the US delegation, to the effect that Of course, Annan was not referring to the US!, is extremely disspiriting.

Chickens are our cousins! So are other sensitive animals! Enough is enough! No more factory farms!

]]> Comment #7 by bookerly http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/ Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:01:25 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/7 The party is over

  My dear CanisCandida, back to the barricades!

patrick

]]> The party is over

  My dear CanisCandida, back to the barricades!

patrick

]]> Comment #8 by Sarah K. Burkhalter http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/ Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:49:09 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/senators-write-a-letter-to-the-president/8 Ohhh, shocking

Washington Rejects Senators' Calls on Climate Caps

]]> Ohhh, shocking

Washington Rejects Senators' Calls on Climate Caps

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